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Why do we have to do our taxes so late?
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late? I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file.

Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.


Kimberly Hazen
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Kimberly,

Having been involved with several different tax software companies as a designer/quality assurance lead/beta tester, the process is far more complicated that you would think. Software developers get access to draft forms sometime between early Autumn and the end of the year so they can begin to create their software. However, they can't finalize their programs until the tax authorities release the final version of the forms. Partnership forms aren't the highest priority because there are fewer partnership returns filed than other types of return. Changes, sometimes minor, sometimes major, are made up until the release of final forms. Final partnership forms are typically released in late December - early February (yes 5-6 weeks after the end of the tax year). This isn't the end of the story. The software developer now has to confirm that their program functions as intended AND it generally must submit samples of forms and/or completed test returns to the tax authority for final approval. Until all this is done, the developer can only release the software if any forms generated contain obvious watermarks indicating that the generated form cannot be filed.

FWIW, of the 42 states and DC that impose any filing requirement on partnerships, only 6 have released their final 2013 forms as of today.

Remember, partnerships must distribute their K-1s by April 15, but they can request a 5-month extension until September 15.

Hope this helps explain things a bit.

Ira Smilovitz


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Kimberly Hazen <hazenfree@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late? I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file.

Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.


Kimberly Hazen

Dear Kimberly,

It's one of the issues that comes along with being a partnership. You can't prepare partnership taxes until you have received all the information from the companies you have invested in. Brokers have until February 18 to get you that information on 1099 forms. Some brokers have already posted that they may even be later than that. Check your brokers website to find out. You need to have them. You can't prepare your club taxes without them.

There is often information on the 1099's that is not known until you get them which requires adjustments in your accounting to prepare your taxes correctly. I'm sure neither your club nor your members want to have to file amended returns because you sent in incorrect filings.

This year, because of the government shut down, the IRS will not even begin processing tax returns until January 28 at the earliest. They have also indicated it might be later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/10/22/tax-season-delayed/3152091/

The good news is that the biggest time consuming part of preparing taxes is making sure your records are correct. You can make a big start on that starting as soon as you receive your final financial statements for 2013.

Check your capital gains and losses:

Checking Your Cost Basis

Run a club audit:

How To Do A Club Audit

And visit the investor relations pages for your investments late in the year to see if there are any adjustments you need to make to any distributions you've received.

If you do all that, any final issues when you get your 1099's should be small. Once they are made, it is only a few minutes to run through the tax interview and generate the forms that need to be filed and distributed.

If your members need a preliminary estimate of what will be being reported on their K-1's, they can get it from the Member Tax Allocations report. But, it is only preliminary and subject to any changes that you make as you go through the steps to verify your records.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Kimberly Hazen <hazenfree@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late? I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file.

Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.


Kimberly Hazen

It not that bivio is late, it is really the US Congress not finalizing taxes until late... then the IRS has to do the forms, and then bivio has to translate the forms into computer code and get out to us....  also, your 1099s dont have to be to your club until January 31, 2014.... BUT sometimes companies have to do revisions to their 1099s, its not always to your advantage to do your taxes ASAP as companies may send out 1099 revisions later than 31 January....

If you manage expectations with your club members, assuming you are the treasurer, and tell them that it is likely that K1s wont be available until mid to late February AT THE EARLIEST, that would help.

Happy Investing,

Irina Clements
Treasurer, Streetbeaters Investment Club

....



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:06 PM, Jo Ann Tucker <joann@nwi.net> wrote:
Please remove my email from your Club Cafe asap!
 
Thank you,
 
Jo Ann Tucker
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Why do we have to do our taxes so late?
 
Dear Kimberly,

It's one of the issues that comes along with being a partnership.  You can't prepare partnership taxes until you have received all the information from the companies you have invested in.  Brokers have until February 18 to get you that information on 1099 forms.  Some brokers have already posted that they may even be later than that.  Check your brokers website to find out.  You need to have them.  You can't prepare your club taxes without them.

There is often information on the 1099's that is not known until you get them which requires adjustments in your accounting to prepare your taxes correctly.  I'm sure neither your club nor your members want to have to file amended returns because you sent in incorrect filings.
 
This year,  because of the government shut down,  the IRS will not even begin processing tax returns until January 28 at the earliest.  They have also indicated it might be later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/10/22/tax-season-delayed/3152091/

The good news is that the biggest time consuming part of preparing taxes is making sure your records are correct.  You can make a big start on that starting as soon as you receive your final financial statements for 2013.

Check your capital gains and losses:

Checking Your Cost Basis

Run a club audit:

How To Do A Club Audit

And visit the investor relations pages for your investments late in the year to see if there are any adjustments you need to make to any distributions you've received. 

If you do all that, any final issues when you get your 1099's should be small.  Once they are made,  it is only a few minutes to run through the tax interview and generate the forms that need to be filed and distributed.
 
If your members need a preliminary estimate of what will be being reported on their K-1's, they can get it from the Member Tax Allocations report.  But,  it is only preliminary and subject to any changes that you make as you go through the steps to verify your records.
 
Laurie Frederiksen
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Kimberly Hazen <hazenfree@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late?  I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file.
 
Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.
 
 
Kimberly Hazen
 
 


Oh, my goodness!  Bless the staff at bivio for their educational services, patience and quick response.
 
 

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz>
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Why do we have to do our taxes so late?

Dear Kimberly,

It's one of the issues that comes along with being a partnership.  You can't prepare partnership taxes until you have received all the information from the companies you have invested in.  Brokers have until February 18 to get you that information on 1099 forms.  Some brokers have already posted that they may even be later than that.  Check your brokers website to find out.  You need to have them.  You can't prepare your club taxes without them.

There is often information on the 1099's that is not known until you get them which requires adjustments in your accounting to prepare your taxes correctly.  I'm sure neither your club nor your members want to have to file amended returns because you sent in incorrect filings.

This year,  because of the government shut down,  the IRS will not even begin processing tax returns until January 28 at the earliest.  They have also indicated it might be later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/10/22/tax-season-delayed/3152091/

The good news is that the biggest time consuming part of preparing taxes is making sure your records are correct.  You can make a big start on that starting as soon as you receive your final financial statements for 2013.

Check your capital gains and losses:

Checking Your Cost Basis

Run a club audit:

How To Do A Club Audit

And visit the investor relations pages for your investments late in the year to see if there are any adjustments you need to make to any distributions you've received. 

If you do all that, any final issues when you get your 1099's should be small.  Once they are made,  it is only a few minutes to run through the tax interview and generate the forms that need to be filed and distributed.

If your members need a preliminary estimate of what will be being reported on their K-1's, they can get it from the Member Tax Allocations report.  But,  it is only preliminary and subject to any changes that you make as you go through the steps to verify your records.

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
http://www.bivio.com/

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Follow us on twitter!  www.twitter.com/bivio
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Kimberly Hazen <hazenfree@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late?  I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file. 

Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.


Kimberly Hazen
 



What are the 42 states that impose filing requirements on partnerships and which have released their 2013 filing forms?


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:16 AM, ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com> wrote:
Kimberly,

Having been involved with several different tax software companies as a designer/quality assurance lead/beta tester, the process is far more complicated that you would think. Software developers get access to draft forms sometime between early Autumn and the end of the year so they can begin to create their software. However, they can't finalize their programs until the tax authorities release the final version of the forms. Partnership forms aren't the highest priority because there are fewer partnership returns filed than other types of return. Changes, sometimes minor, sometimes major, are made up until the release of final forms. Final partnership forms are typically released in late December - early February (yes 5-6 weeks after the end of the tax year). This isn't the end of the story. The software developer now has to confirm that their program functions as intended AND it generally must submit samples of forms and/or completed test returns to the tax authority for final approval. Until all this is done, the developer can only release the software if any forms generated contain obvious watermarks indicating that the generated form cannot be filed.

FWIW, of the 42 states and DC that impose any filing requirement on partnerships, only 6 have released their final 2013 forms as of today.

Remember, partnerships must distribute their K-1s by April 15, but they can request a 5-month extension until September 15.

Hope this helps explain things a bit.

Ira Smilovitz


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Kimberly Hazen <hazenfree@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late? I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file.

Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.


Kimberly Hazen


Irina,

Just one small correction. broker 1099s are now due by February 15, not January 31.

Ira Smilovitz


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, IRINA CLEMENTS <irina39@verizon.net> wrote:
It not that bivio is late, it is really the US Congress not finalizing taxes until late... then the IRS has to do the forms, and then bivio has to translate the forms into computer code and get out to us.... also, your 1099s dont have to be to your club until January 31, 2014.... BUT sometimes companies have to do revisions to their 1099s, its not always to your advantage to do your taxes ASAP as companies may send out 1099 revisions later than 31 January....

If you manage expectations with your club members, assuming you are the treasurer, and tell them that it is likely that K1s wont be available until mid to late February AT THE EARLIEST, that would help.

Happy Investing,

Irina Clements
Treasurer, Streetbeaters Investment Club

....



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:06 PM, Jo Ann Tucker <joann@nwi.net> wrote:
Please remove my email from your Club Cafe asap!
Thank you,
Jo Ann Tucker
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Why do we have to do our taxes so late?
Dear Kimberly,

It's one of the issues that comes along with being a partnership. You can't prepare partnership taxes until you have received all the information from the companies you have invested in. Brokers have until February 18 to get you that information on 1099 forms. Some brokers have already posted that they may even be later than that. Check your brokers website to find out. You need to have them. You can't prepare your club taxes without them.

There is often information on the 1099's that is not known until you get them which requires adjustments in your accounting to prepare your taxes correctly. I'm sure neither your club nor your members want to have to file amended returns because you sent in incorrect filings.
This year, because of the government shut down, the IRS will not even begin processing tax returns until January 28 at the earliest. They have also indicated it might be later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/10/22/tax-season-delayed/3152091/

The good news is that the biggest time consuming part of preparing taxes is making sure your records are correct. You can make a big start on that starting as soon as you receive your final financial statements for 2013.

Check your capital gains and losses:

Checking Your Cost Basis

Run a club audit:

How To Do A Club Audit

And visit the investor relations pages for your investments late in the year to see if there are any adjustments you need to make to any distributions you've received.

If you do all that, any final issues when you get your 1099's should be small. Once they are made, it is only a few minutes to run through the tax interview and generate the forms that need to be filed and distributed.
If your members need a preliminary estimate of what will be being reported on their K-1's, they can get it from the Member Tax Allocations report. But, it is only preliminary and subject to any changes that you make as you go through the steps to verify your records.
Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Kimberly Hazen <hazenfree@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late? I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file.
Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.
Kimberly Hazen



Actually it's February 18 this year.

Laurie Frederiksen
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www.bivio.com

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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com> wrote:
Irina,

Just one small correction. broker 1099s are now due by February 15, not January 31.

Ira Smilovitz


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, IRINA CLEMENTS <irina39@verizon.net> wrote:
It not that bivio is late, it is really the US Congress not finalizing taxes until late... then the IRS has to do the forms, and then bivio has to translate the forms into computer code and get out to us.... also, your 1099s dont have to be to your club until January 31, 2014.... BUT sometimes companies have to do revisions to their 1099s, its not always to your advantage to do your taxes ASAP as companies may send out 1099 revisions later than 31 January....

If you manage expectations with your club members, assuming you are the treasurer, and tell them that it is likely that K1s wont be available until mid to late February AT THE EARLIEST, that would help.

Happy Investing,

Irina Clements
Treasurer, Streetbeaters Investment Club

....



On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:06 PM, Jo Ann Tucker <joann@nwi.net> wrote:
Please remove my email from your Club Cafe asap!
Thank you,
Jo Ann Tucker
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Why do we have to do our taxes so late?
Dear Kimberly,

It's one of the issues that comes along with being a partnership. You can't prepare partnership taxes until you have received all the information from the companies you have invested in. Brokers have until February 18 to get you that information on 1099 forms. Some brokers have already posted that they may even be later than that. Check your brokers website to find out. You need to have them. You can't prepare your club taxes without them.

There is often information on the 1099's that is not known until you get them which requires adjustments in your accounting to prepare your taxes correctly. I'm sure neither your club nor your members want to have to file amended returns because you sent in incorrect filings.
This year, because of the government shut down, the IRS will not even begin processing tax returns until January 28 at the earliest. They have also indicated it might be later.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/10/22/tax-season-delayed/3152091/

The good news is that the biggest time consuming part of preparing taxes is making sure your records are correct. You can make a big start on that starting as soon as you receive your final financial statements for 2013.

Check your capital gains and losses:

Checking Your Cost Basis

Run a club audit:

How To Do A Club Audit

And visit the investor relations pages for your investments late in the year to see if there are any adjustments you need to make to any distributions you've received.

If you do all that, any final issues when you get your 1099's should be small. Once they are made, it is only a few minutes to run through the tax interview and generate the forms that need to be filed and distributed.
If your members need a preliminary estimate of what will be being reported on their K-1's, they can get it from the Member Tax Allocations report. But, it is only preliminary and subject to any changes that you make as you go through the steps to verify your records.
Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
Follow Us on Google+


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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Kimberly Hazen <hazenfree@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone tell me why the tax module of Bivio is offered so late? I realize that we don't need to get our Schedule K-1's out as early as 1099's, W2's, etc., but if we have all our information, it would be nice to get our members the K-1's early so they can file.
Just wanted to know the reasoning behind this.
Kimberly Hazen