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Medtronic (MDT) Tax Joy

Medtronic moved overseas to avoid paying their own taxes, but they continue to create tax issues for those of us left behind.

If your club owned Medtronic last year, you were first hit with capital gains to report when they moved overseas.

Now, there are complications with the dividends you've received since then. Many of you have received 1099 forms where a portion of their dividends was reclassified as a Return of Capital or "Non-dividend" distribution. That meant you had manual edits to do when you prepared your investment club taxes.

Apparently, some brokers have delayed issuing 1099's because of this. If you are waiting for a 1099 this may be a reason.

And, even if you did get a 1099 showing the reclassifications, the amounts that were reported are just estimates. Because their tax year closes in April, the classification won't be finalized until this summer when you can expect to receive a revised 1099 form.

Here's more information:

Medtronic Dividend Tax Information

Hopefully the revised numbers won't create any significant changes to the taxes you'll file by April 15.

But it will still be very important to update your records if you do get revised information. Return of capital or "Non-dividend" distributions affect the cost basis of your shares. They need to be updated correctly in bivio or you'll have problems matching capital gains when you sell your shares.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Hi Laurie,

I was glad to receive your email about MDT return of capital dividends.  I found 
the information the day that I opened my 1099,  but I think that there are many 
MDT holders who will not know what to do with what they see on the 1099.  
Good work, as usual!

I really will send my story, soon I hope.

Ed Berners

On 18 Mar 2016, at 12:00, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Medtronic moved overseas to avoid paying their own taxes,  but they continue to create tax issues for those of us left behind.

If your club owned Medtronic last year,  you were first hit with capital gains to report when they moved overseas.

Now,  there are complications with the dividends you've received since then.  Many of you have received 1099 forms where a portion of their dividends was reclassified as a Return of Capital or "Non-dividend" distribution.  That meant you had manual edits to do when you prepared your investment club taxes.

Apparently, some brokers have delayed issuing 1099's because of this.  If you are waiting for a 1099 this may be a reason.

And,  even if you did get a 1099 showing the reclassifications, the amounts that were reported are just estimates.  Because their tax year closes in April,  the classification won't be finalized until this summer when you can expect to receive a revised 1099 form.

Here's more information:

Medtronic Dividend Tax Information 

Hopefully the revised numbers won't create any significant changes to the taxes you'll file by April 15.  

But it will still be very important to update your records if you do get revised information.  Return of capital or "Non-dividend" distributions affect the cost basis of your shares.  They need to be updated correctly in bivio or you'll have problems matching capital gains when you sell your shares.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Thanks, Laurie, for the alert. This will probably be a continuing problem with Medtronic,  so I'm going to recommend our club sell it.  We've already taken the LT cap gains hit, and I dislike companies that shirk their fair share tax paying duties. Why not invest our funds elsewhere?





Our club owns JCI, which is merging with Tyco and moving its domicile to Ireland (although operational headquarters will remain in the US.)  I'm curious to know if we can expect similar problems with the new JCI when it shifts to Ireland. What red flags are there? It seems Medtronic is complicated by its fiscal year-end date. If that had been at another time period with a longer lead time before our tax returns are due, would the entries have been easier?  Can anyone suggest the important potential complications for which we should watch with respect to a change in domicile?

Advice would be appreciated!

Pat Essex

Mt. Ararat Investment Club

Bowling Green, Ohio

From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:01 PM
To: The Club Cafe
Subject: [club_cafe] Medtronic (MDT) Tax Joy

Medtronic moved overseas to avoid paying their own taxes,  but they continue to create tax issues for those of us left behind.

If your club owned Medtronic last year,  you were first hit with capital gains to report when they moved overseas.

Now,  there are complications with the dividends you've received since then.  Many of you have received 1099 forms where a portion of their dividends was reclassified as a Return of Capital or "Non-dividend" distribution.  That meant you had manual edits to do when you prepared your investment club taxes.

Apparently, some brokers have delayed issuing 1099's because of this.  If you are waiting for a 1099 this may be a reason.

And,  even if you did get a 1099 showing the reclassifications, the amounts that were reported are just estimates.  Because their tax year closes in April,  the classification won't be finalized until this summer when you can expect to receive a revised 1099 form.

Here's more information:

Medtronic Dividend Tax Information 

Hopefully the revised numbers won't create any significant changes to the taxes you'll file by April 15.  

But it will still be very important to update your records if you do get revised information.  Return of capital or "Non-dividend" distributions affect the cost basis of your shares.  They need to be updated correctly in bivio or you'll have problems matching capital gains when you sell your shares.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Based on the information here:

JCI TYCO Merger

if you own JCI, you will owe taxes when the two companies merge whether you receive cash or JCI PLC shares for your current JCI shares.

Whether or not you will also have dividend reclassification issues like the MDT shareholders have had is not something it is easy to know in advance. It depends on the companies tax "Earnings and Profits" which are different than their reported GAAP Earnings. They are not usually published anywhere.

You are correct that their fiscal year closing date will impact whether or not updated information will be available during regular tax reporting season. But this applies to any company.

Investments in foreign companies can bring more complications when addressing tax issues if they reorganize or even make distributions of cash or stock. They do not always provide the same level of description of US tax consequences that US companies do. That can cause delays getting your records updated correctly.

The other thing to be aware of is that there is a move to allow foreign companies to report earnings only under International Accounting Standards (IFRS). Currently, if they are registered on US exchanges they need to report under US GAAP rules as well as IFRS.

There are some differences between the two which will then make comparing their historical performance to their current results a bit more complex.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Thanks! I had read the corporate info you cited but wasn't sure what else to watch out for.

Pat

From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:59 AM
To: The Club Cafe
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Medtronic (MDT) Tax Joy

Based on the information here:

JCI TYCO Merger

if you own JCI,  you will owe taxes when the two companies merge whether you receive cash or JCI PLC shares for your current JCI shares.

Whether or not you will also have dividend reclassification issues like the MDT shareholders have had is not something it is easy to know in advance.  It depends on the companies tax "Earnings and Profits" which are different than their reported GAAP Earnings.  They are not usually published anywhere.

You are correct that their fiscal year closing date will impact whether or not updated information will be available during regular tax reporting season.  But this applies to any company.

Investments in foreign companies can bring more complications when addressing tax issues if they reorganize or even make distributions of cash or stock.  They do not always provide the same level of description of US tax consequences that US companies do.  That can cause delays getting your records updated correctly.

The other thing to be aware of is that there is a move to allow foreign companies to report earnings only under International Accounting Standards (IFRS).  Currently, if they are registered on US exchanges they need to report under US GAAP rules as well as IFRS.

There are some differences between the two which will then make comparing their historical performance to their current results a bit more complex.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Pat,
Thanks for keeping me in the MAIC loop. After reading about this merger, I suggested that my son sell his JCI now before tax headaches & he did. I did that myself when an investment was going to have future tax problems. I don't need those complications.
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Donna

On 3/22/2016 10:33 AM, Patricia Ann Essex wrote:

Thanks! I had read the corporate info you cited but wasn't sure what else to watch out for.

Pat

From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:59 AM
To: The Club Cafe
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Medtronic (MDT) Tax Joy

Based on the information here:

JCI TYCO Merger

if you own JCI, you will owe taxes when the two companies merge whether you receive cash or JCI PLC shares for your current JCI shares.

Whether or not you will also have dividend reclassification issues like the MDT shareholders have had is not something it is easy to know in advance. It depends on the companies tax "Earnings and Profits" which are different than their reported GAAP Earnings. They are not usually published anywhere.

You are correct that their fiscal year closing date will impact whether or not updated information will be available during regular tax reporting season. But this applies to any company.

Investments in foreign companies can bring more complications when addressing tax issues if they reorganize or even make distributions of cash or stock. They do not always provide the same level of description of US tax consequences that US companies do. That can cause delays getting your records updated correctly.

The other thing to be aware of is that there is a move to allow foreign companies to report earnings only under International Accounting Standards (IFRS). Currently, if they are registered on US exchanges they need to report under US GAAP rules as well as IFRS.

There are some differences between the two which will then make comparing their historical performance to their current results a bit more complex.

Laurie Frederiksen
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