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K-2/K-3 issues redux

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments, but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do. The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this, our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after. An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms. If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed, it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension. Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline. You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865

Just wanted to chime in with a thank you to the Bivio Team (Laurie, Ira, etc). I mailed 7004 extension request today. Form was simple and instructions and examples provided by Bvio were clear. I sent it Certified US Mail with an Electronic Receipt request (I doubt that the IRS will reliably sign and return a hard copy receipt request).

Thanks again to the Bivio team for answering all these questions -- many of them several times 😉

Mike

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments, but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do. The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this, our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after. An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms. If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed, it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension. Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline. You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865

Sent mine also, certified mail.  Thanks for all you do at Bivio

On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Michael Grove via bivio.com <user*23913100001@bivio.com> wrote:

Just wanted to chime in with a thank you to the Bivio Team (Laurie, Ira, etc).  I mailed 7004 extension request today.  Form was simple and instructions and examples provided by Bvio were clear.  I sent it Certified US Mail with an Electronic Receipt request (I doubt that the IRS will reliably sign and return a hard copy receipt request).

Thanks again to the Bivio team for answering all these questions -- many of them several times 😉

Mike

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments,  but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do.  The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this,  our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after.  An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms.  If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed,  it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension.  Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline.  You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865


Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders. The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments, but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do. The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this, our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after. An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms. If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed, it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension. Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline. You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865

iClub's tax printer was available on Jan 24th. They also support e-file for the club. Their slides say if you don't have foreign income you don't need the K2/K3.


I think Bivio / Ira might have this wrong. Going to see if I can link my brokerage to iClub for last year. Looks like I could have my return done tomorrow with them.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Gail Brilling via bivio.com <user*37481200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

 

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

 

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

 

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders.  The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.
 

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments,  but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do.  The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this,  our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after.  An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms.  If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed,  it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension.  Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline.  You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865


We use iClub and because we own two foreign stocks, an iClub generated K-3 showed up for us. However, based on Turbo Tax advice, for 2021, and IRS advice 2-15-2022, each of us checking with our tax advisor, I am not checking 'yes' for having a K-3.

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 5:20 PM Trevor Paskett via bivio.com <user*38932100001@bivio.com> wrote:
iClub's tax printer was available on Jan 24th. They also support e-file for the club. Their slides say if you don't have foreign income you don't need the K2/K3.


I think Bivio / Ira might have this wrong. Going to see if I can link my brokerage to iClub for last year. Looks like I could have my return done tomorrow with them.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Gail Brilling via bivio.com <user*37481200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders. The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments, but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do. The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this, our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after. An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms. If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed, it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension. Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline. You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865


ICLUB's presentation was made before the last two changes in IRS rules on Schedules K-2 and K-3, and their software was released before the changes. Those clubs that filed early using ICLUB software and did not file with Schedules K-2/K-3 are potentially subject to penalties of $280 per missing K-3. I know they (ICLUB) are aware of the issue, but don't know (or desire to know) how they are addressing it.

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 8:20 PM Trevor Paskett via bivio.com <user*38932100001@bivio.com> wrote:
iClub's tax printer was available on Jan 24th. They also support e-file for the club. Their slides say if you don't have foreign income you don't need the K2/K3.


I think Bivio / Ira might have this wrong. Going to see if I can link my brokerage to iClub for last year. Looks like I could have my return done tomorrow with them.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Gail Brilling via bivio.com <user*37481200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders. The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments, but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do. The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this, our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after. An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms. If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed, it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension. Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline. You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865


Looks like for Gail iClub printed a K-3. I don't want to switch but you guys are giving us no guidance besides file and extension and wait with no idea on a date when we will be able generate forms.

Ira if I paid you directly could you generate and file a return for my club with the reports from Bivio? We just need to get this done. I do know that everyone in our club does not have foreign investments. I'm the only one with a brokerage account, no other partners have one, this is their first time investing. I have no foreign investments myself.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 7:05 PM, ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:

ICLUB's presentation was made before the last two changes in IRS rules on Schedules K-2 and K-3, and their software was released before the changes. Those clubs that filed early using ICLUB software and did not file with Schedules K-2/K-3 are potentially subject to penalties of $280 per missing K-3. I know they (ICLUB) are aware of the issue, but don't know (or desire to know) how they are addressing it. 

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 8:20 PM Trevor Paskett via bivio.com <user*38932100001@bivio.com> wrote:
iClub's tax printer was available on Jan 24th. They also support e-file for the club. Their slides say if you don't have foreign income you don't need the K2/K3.


I think Bivio / Ira might have this wrong. Going to see if I can link my brokerage to iClub for last year. Looks like I could have my return done tomorrow with them.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Gail Brilling via bivio.com <user*37481200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

 

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

 

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

 

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders.  The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.
 

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments,  but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do.  The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this,  our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after.  An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms.  If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed,  it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension.  Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline.  You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865



Can anyone address the situation with a club that owns an ADR (American Depository Receipt) of a Chinese company, for example Alibaba or Netease.  Is that foreign source income?
Thanks,
Anne Weeks


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On Monday, February 28, 2022, 2:18 PM, Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?
Trevor,

No I can't. The standard reports generated by bivio don't report the detail that is needed to complete K-2/K-3. It can be done with major manipulation within a spreadsheet, but it isn't something that I can undertake at a reasonable price point.

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 9:24 PM Trevor Paskett via bivio.com <user*38932100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Looks like for Gail iClub printed a K-3. I don't want to switch but you guys are giving us no guidance besides file and extension and wait with no idea on a date when we will be able generate forms.

Ira if I paid you directly could you generate and file a return for my club with the reports from Bivio? We just need to get this done. I do know that everyone in our club does not have foreign investments. I'm the only one with a brokerage account, no other partners have one, this is their first time investing. I have no foreign investments myself.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 7:05 PM, ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:

ICLUB's presentation was made before the last two changes in IRS rules on Schedules K-2 and K-3, and their software was released before the changes. Those clubs that filed early using ICLUB software and did not file with Schedules K-2/K-3 are potentially subject to penalties of $280 per missing K-3. I know they (ICLUB) are aware of the issue, but don't know (or desire to know) how they are addressing it.

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 8:20 PM Trevor Paskett via bivio.com <user*38932100001@bivio.com> wrote:
iClub's tax printer was available on Jan 24th. They also support e-file for the club. Their slides say if you don't have foreign income you don't need the K2/K3.


I think Bivio / Ira might have this wrong. Going to see if I can link my brokerage to iClub for last year. Looks like I could have my return done tomorrow with them.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Gail Brilling via bivio.com <user*37481200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders. The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments, but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do. The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this, our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after. An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms. If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed, it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension. Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline. You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865



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On Monday, February 28, 2022, 07:26:33 PM EST, Gail Brilling via bivio.com <user*37481200001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

 

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

 

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

 

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders.  The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.

 

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments,  but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do.  The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this,  our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after.  An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms.  If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed,  it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension.  Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline.  You can apply for it any time up until then.

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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865

If a foreign company or ADR pays dividends, that is foreign source income.

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On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 9:03 AM Anne Weeks via bivio.com <user*6029900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Can anyone address the situation with a club that owns an ADR (American Depository Receipt) of a Chinese company, for example Alibaba or Netease. Is that foreign source income?
Thanks,
Anne Weeks


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On Monday, February 28, 2022, 2:18 PM, Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?
So are you saying Bivio can't do it, an CPA with Bivio's data can't do it, then is our only alternative iClub?

iClub's current tax printer does produce a K1+K2+K3 with e-file support.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 10:15 PM, ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:

Trevor,

No I can't. The standard reports generated by bivio don't report the detail that is needed to complete K-2/K-3. It can be done with major manipulation within a spreadsheet, but it isn't something that I can undertake at a reasonable price point. 

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 9:24 PM Trevor Paskett via bivio.com <user*38932100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Looks like for Gail iClub printed a K-3. I don't want to switch but you guys are giving us no guidance besides file and extension and wait with no idea on a date when we will be able generate forms.

Ira if I paid you directly could you generate and file a return for my club with the reports from Bivio? We just need to get this done. I do know that everyone in our club does not have foreign investments. I'm the only one with a brokerage account, no other partners have one, this is their first time investing. I have no foreign investments myself.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 7:05 PM, ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:

ICLUB's presentation was made before the last two changes in IRS rules on Schedules K-2 and K-3, and their software was released before the changes. Those clubs that filed early using ICLUB software and did not file with Schedules K-2/K-3 are potentially subject to penalties of $280 per missing K-3. I know they (ICLUB) are aware of the issue, but don't know (or desire to know) how they are addressing it. 

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 8:20 PM Trevor Paskett via bivio.com <user*38932100001@bivio.com> wrote:
iClub's tax printer was available on Jan 24th. They also support e-file for the club. Their slides say if you don't have foreign income you don't need the K2/K3.


I think Bivio / Ira might have this wrong. Going to see if I can link my brokerage to iClub for last year. Looks like I could have my return done tomorrow with them.

On Feb 28, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Gail Brilling via bivio.com <user*37481200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Interesting post on Turbo Tax as I'm trying to enter the K-1 etc

Most forms K-2 and K-3 forms do not need to be filed this year.

 

The IRS announced on Tuesday February 15, 2022 that most K2/K3 reporting for 2021 can be delayed until the 2022 tax return filing.

 

This is an extract of the IRS announcement:

 

The IRS intends to provide certain additional transition relief for this year from the Schedule K-2 and K-3 reporting for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations with no foreign activities, foreign partners or shareholders, and without knowledge of partner or shareholder need for information on items of international relevance. For 2021, these qualifying domestic partnerships and S corporations will not have to file the new schedules. We are taking this step in response to feedback we received from the tax community and our stakeholders.  The IRS will provide full details of this relief soon.
 

So my k-1 has box 16 checked -- because my investment club generated a k-3 form. Should I tell Turbo Tax that that box is not checked so I don't get an error during Smart Check?

Yes, leave Box 16 unchecked since you are not required to report Schedule K-3 for the 2021 tax year. Be sure to retain all info sent with Schedule K-1 in case you need it in the future.




On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 2:18 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The issue is not only whether your club itself has any foreign investments,  but also whether anyone in your club has any foreign reporting they need to do.  The IRS says you need to file the forms unless you are certain they do not.

Since we do not feel that clubs may be in a position to effectively evaluate this,  our current recommendation is that all clubs file the new tax forms.

The reason we are recommending you file for an extension is that it is easier to amend a return before your due date than after.  An extension automatically extends your due date to September 15.

Since the IRS continues to change the instructions for the new forms.  If you have extended your due date and it turns out they later come out with something that means you need to amend what you filed,  it is a very simple process to amend them.

It is easy to file for an extension.  Here are the instructions:

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

You need to file for it prior to the March 15 deadline.  You can apply for it any time up until then.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 PM Carole L. Jansen via bivio.com <user*8441200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Was the question ever answered about exemption from filing
the K-2 and K-3 that is set forth in FAQ #15 in the
following link?

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/schedules-k-2-and-k-3-frequently-asked-questions-forms-1065-1120s-and-8865




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