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The Fun Never Stops in 2020 - Attn Folio Clubs
I talked to Schwab here in Washington, DC, and they said nothing about not taking those accounts. I told them we were with TDA and asked whether they accepted partnerships (the usual legal entity of investment clubs) and they said no problem.

It would be interesting to hear what you find out if you apply directly to Schwab for an account.

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club




On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 8:49 PM Linda Wiltse via bivio.com <user*31518000001@bivio.com> wrote:

TD has been taken over by Charles Schwab, so it does not make sense to switch to TD Ameritrade and then have to make the change to Schwab. Last I heard, Schwab was not taking on new investment club accounts, so I don't know what will happen with the transferred accounts. You should find out before proceeding.

All brokerage firms make the paperwork difficult. It too us years to get Fidelity to change our officers.

You should have at least 5 members authorized to make trades and write checks, otherwise you will have a problem if one person becomes incapacitated or dies. Forget about trying to change officers - it is very difficult, especially when members live far apart.

Linda Wiltse

Pointe Players

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Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 3:40 PM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] The Fun Never Stops in 2020 - Attn Folio Clubs

We had already decided to switch to TDAmeritrade. The paperwork is a bit daunting.

Laurie, do you have suggestions for which club members to designate for Authorized Agent, Control Person and Trusted Contact? I'm assuming the Treasurer is the AA. Is the President the Control? The Trusted contact is optional.

Do you also have suggestions on how to collect the signatures in an organized, efficient way that will meet their requirements? ("Original signatures are required; electronic signatures and/or signature fonts are not authorized.") Our club members do not live near each other. Hundreds of miles apart.

We'll figure this out, but I think others will benefit from your recommendations.

Linda

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 8:09 AM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Thanks Laurie

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 11:03:59 AM EST, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Here is a link to a list of the brokers currently supported by AccountSync:

AccountSync Brokers

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:49 AM Sfairchic via bivio.com <user*31161800001@bivio.com> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up. Can you supply us a list of the Brokers Bivio supports with account-sync? That will help facilitate our decision.

Regards, Susan Fairchild. Ladies of the Club NW Investors.

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On Dec 3, 2020, at 5:59 AM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Folio informed clubs today that it is stopping all "self directed" accounts (like club accounts).

As of January 13, your Folio account will automatically be transferred to Interactive Brokers unless you move it somewhere else.

Thanks Folio. Lots of time to prepare and address during the busy tax season.

Before you all email and ask if we support Interactive Brokers with AccountSync, the answer currently is unfortunately not. I am addressing it with our programmers to see if they can be added, but, at this time of year, their focus is on getting the 2020 tax programs ready so I can't tell you there will be any sort of positive answer for you on that front.

What you do need to do immediately is this:

1. Make sure you have downloaded a "Closed tax lot" spreadsheet from Folio and checked that your capital gains and losses shown on the bivio "Capital gain/loss" report agree with what they show.

You may not be able to get this if you wait to find out you have problems until you get your 1099 form from them and you'll need it to help resolve those issues.

It also wouldn't hurt to download however many past closed tax lot spreadsheets they provide and keep them with your records. Historical information is frequently crucial in resolving current issues.

2. Make sure you have downloaded an "Open Tax Lot" spreadsheet from folio and checked that the lot details shown for each lot of each stock you own agree between that and the bivio "Investment Lot Cost Basis" report.

Again, if there are any issues there, you need to get them addressed before you (or they) transfer your accounts to another broker.

3. I'd recommend also downloading as many of your past statements as they provide if you don't save them each month already.

Again, if you have cost basis issues that you don't find until the future, they will be vitally important for addressing them.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Hi, members - I'm wondering what brokerages members really
like using? Any in particular to avoid?

Thanks!

Jeanne Wu
Market Mavens
We have used Schwab for 13 years and it has worked well. However, I have heard that they are not accepting new Investment Club accounts.

Mike

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:57 AM Jeanne Wu via bivio.com <user*31171000001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi, members - I'm wondering what brokerages members really
like using? Any in particular to avoid?

Thanks!

Jeanne Wu
Market Mavens
Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled?  Does anyone know?

Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Club
Brighton MI 

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 04:45:59 PM EST, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:


We did something similar.  We mailed copies of the signature page to all members and when they returned them,  we put all the pages together to send them in.  That was fine with TDA.

I called them and got a really helpful person to guide us through the process and tell us what we did and didn't have to fill out on the application.

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On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 4:06 PM Daniel Williams via bivio.com <user*33673100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our club experienced a similar excercise when we setup our account with ETRADE earlier this year.  On the pages of the application that required signatures, we used the same sheet for people that lived in the same city with each other but used multiple sheets of the same page of the application because as you described, we have people in different cities.  We mailed the sheets to a designated club member who put the physical package together and made a pdf of the application (one file) and sent it to them electronically.  It was awkward but it worked.

Dan W.

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 02:40:31 PM CST, Linda Glein via bivio.com <user*21345500001@bivio.com> wrote:


We had already decided to switch to TDAmeritrade. The paperwork is a bit daunting.

 Laurie, do you have suggestions for which club members to designate for Authorized Agent, Control Person and Trusted Contact? I'm assuming the Treasurer is the AA. Is the President the Control? The Trusted contact is optional.

Do you also have suggestions on how to collect the signatures in an organized, efficient way that will meet their requirements? ("Original signatures are required; electronic signatures and/or signature fonts are not authorized.") Our club members do not live near each other. Hundreds of miles apart.

We'll figure this out, but I think others will benefit from your recommendations.

Linda





On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 8:09 AM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks Laurie

On Thursday, December 3, 2020, 11:03:59 AM EST, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:


Here is a link to a list of the brokers currently supported by AccountSync:

AccountSync Brokers

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:49 AM Sfairchic via bivio.com <user*31161800001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up.  Can you supply us a list of the Brokers Bivio supports with account-sync?  That will help facilitate our decision.  
Regards, Susan Fairchild. Ladies of the Club NW Investors.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2020, at 5:59 AM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Folio informed clubs today that it is stopping all "self directed" accounts (like club accounts).

As of January 13,  your Folio account will automatically be transferred to Interactive Brokers unless you move it somewhere else.

Thanks Folio.  Lots of time to prepare and address during the busy tax season.

Before you all email and ask if we support Interactive Brokers with AccountSync,  the answer currently is unfortunately not.  I am addressing it with our programmers to see if they can be added,  but, at this time of year,  their focus is on getting the 2020 tax programs ready so I can't tell you there will be any sort of positive answer for you on that front.

What you do need to do immediately is this:

1.  Make sure you have downloaded a "Closed tax lot" spreadsheet from Folio and checked that your capital gains and losses shown on the bivio "Capital gain/loss" report agree with what they show.  

You may not be able to get this if you wait to find out you have problems until you get your 1099 form from them and you'll need it to help resolve those issues.

It also wouldn't hurt to download however many past closed tax lot spreadsheets they provide and keep them with your records.  Historical information is frequently crucial in resolving current issues.

2.  Make sure you have downloaded an "Open Tax Lot" spreadsheet from folio and checked that the lot details shown for each lot of each stock you own agree between that and the bivio "Investment Lot Cost Basis" report.

Again,  if there are any issues there,  you need to get them addressed before you (or they) transfer your accounts to another broker.

3.  I'd recommend also downloading as many of your past statements as they provide if you don't save them each month already.

Again,  if you have cost basis issues that you don't find until the future,  they will be vitally important for addressing them.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Fidelity Investments has been a great broker to work with.

Ruthy Sellers

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:57 AM Jeanne Wu via bivio.com <user*31171000001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi, members - I'm wondering what brokerages members really
like using? Any in particular to avoid?

Thanks!

Jeanne Wu
Market Mavens
It does NOT sink but I like Firstrade. Bob Gremel

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:53 PM Ruthy Sellers via bivio.com <user*30367800001@bivio.com> wrote:
Fidelity Investments has been a great broker to work with.

Ruthy Sellers

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:57 AM Jeanne Wu via bivio.com <user*31171000001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi, members - I'm wondering what brokerages members really
like using? Any in particular to avoid?

Thanks!

Jeanne Wu
Market Mavens
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled? Does anyone know?

I'd recommend you ask Folio about that. I don't believe it ended up being a problem when we transitioned our club account last spring, but I don't completely remember.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Our family club uses Fidelity and it does do Account Sync with bivio. I had been with Fidelity for 20 years before starting the family club so I was very familiar with it. Free commissions and good research available. I like it a lot.

BTW, Fidelity is one of the few brokers who does HSAs (Health Spending Accounts - must have a High Deductible Health Insurance Plan).

Paul Madison

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:47 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled? Does anyone know?

I'd recommend you ask Folio about that. I don't believe it ended up being a problem when we transitioned our club account last spring, but I don't completely remember.

Laurie Frederiksen
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I contacted Schwab today. They said they are not opening any new investment club accounts. 

The search continues. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is happy with their current broker. 

Best regards,

Ty Hughes | 571-382-0700
On Dec 4, 2020, 15:27 -0500, Paul Madison via bivio.com <user*31595900001@bivio.com>, wrote:
Our family club uses Fidelity and it does do Account Sync with bivio.  I had been with Fidelity for 20 years before starting the family club so I was very familiar with it.  Free commissions and good research available.  I like it a lot.

BTW, Fidelity is one of the few brokers who does HSAs (Health Spending Accounts - must have a High Deductible Health Insurance Plan).

Paul Madison

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:47 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled?  Does anyone know?

 

I'd recommend you ask Folio about that.  I don't believe it ended up being a problem when we transitioned our club account last spring,  but I don't completely remember.

Laurie Frederiksen
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We've been with Ameritrade for 22 years. No complaints.

Dick Lewis

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Ty Hughes via bivio.com
Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 5:41 PM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] The Fun Never Stops in 2020 - Attn Folio Clubs

I contacted Schwab today. They said they are not opening any new investment club accounts. 

The search continues. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is happy with their current broker. 

Best regards,


Ty Hughes | 571-382-0700

On Dec 4, 2020, 15:27 -0500, Paul Madison via bivio.com <user*31595900001@bivio.com>, wrote:

Our family club uses Fidelity and it does do Account Sync with bivio.  I had been with Fidelity for 20 years before starting the family club so I was very familiar with it.  Free commissions and good research available.  I like it a lot.

BTW, Fidelity is one of the few brokers who does HSAs (Health Spending Accounts - must have a High Deductible Health Insurance Plan).

Paul Madison

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:47 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled?  Does anyone know?

 

I'd recommend you ask Folio about that.  I don't believe it ended up being a problem when we transitioned our club account last spring,  but I don't completely remember.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Did you ask about partnerships organized for investing? The term "investment club" can have a lot of baggage.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:41 PM Ty Hughes via bivio.com <user*3139700001@bivio.com> wrote:
I contacted Schwab today. They said they are not opening any new investment club accounts.

The search continues. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is happy with their current broker.

Best regards,

Ty Hughes | 571-382-0700
On Dec 4, 2020, 15:27 -0500, Paul Madison via bivio.com <user*31595900001@bivio.com>, wrote:
Our family club uses Fidelity and it does do Account Sync with bivio. I had been with Fidelity for 20 years before starting the family club so I was very familiar with it. Free commissions and good research available. I like it a lot.

BTW, Fidelity is one of the few brokers who does HSAs (Health Spending Accounts - must have a High Deductible Health Insurance Plan).

Paul Madison

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:47 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled? Does anyone know?

I'd recommend you ask Folio about that. I don't believe it ended up being a problem when we transitioned our club account last spring, but I don't completely remember.

Laurie Frederiksen
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Our Club uses Fidelity and we are very happy!

On Dec 4, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Ty Hughes via bivio.com <user*3139700001@bivio.com> wrote:

I contacted Schwab today. They said they are not opening any new investment club accounts. 

The search continues. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is happy with their current broker. 

Best regards,

Ty Hughes | 571-382-0700
On Dec 4, 2020, 15:27 -0500, Paul Madison via bivio.com <user*31595900001@bivio.com>, wrote:
Our family club uses Fidelity and it does do Account Sync with bivio.  I had been with Fidelity for 20 years before starting the family club so I was very familiar with it.  Free commissions and good research available.  I like it a lot.

BTW, Fidelity is one of the few brokers who does HSAs (Health Spending Accounts - must have a High Deductible Health Insurance Plan).

Paul Madison

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:47 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled?  Does anyone know?

 

I'd recommend you ask Folio about that.  I don't believe it ended up being a problem when we transitioned our club account last spring,  but I don't completely remember.

Laurie Frederiksen
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All:

Thanks for all the responses about brokers.

I am still trying to confirm from Schwab whether we can move our club account there. A local Schwab rep (Arlington, Virginia) told me today that they are not opening any new investment club accounts but are grandfathering existing clubs. However, the Schwab website still has an application for accounts for non-incorporated entitled, e.g., partnerships. The local rep may be incorrect. I will follow-up with Schwab on Monday and report back.

Best regards,

Ty Hughes



A "back door" to Schwab is available through TDAmeritrade. I spoke with them today and they are accepting new club accounts even though they are in the process of mergong with Schwab. The integration of the two is going to be completed sometime within the next 16 months to 3 years

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:53 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Did you ask about partnerships organized for investing? The term "investment club" can have a lot of baggage.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 5:41 PM Ty Hughes via bivio.com <user*3139700001@bivio.com> wrote:
I contacted Schwab today. They said they are not opening any new investment club accounts.

The search continues. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is happy with their current broker.

Best regards,

Ty Hughes | 571-382-0700
On Dec 4, 2020, 15:27 -0500, Paul Madison via bivio.com <user*31595900001@bivio.com>, wrote:
Our family club uses Fidelity and it does do Account Sync with bivio. I had been with Fidelity for 20 years before starting the family club so I was very familiar with it. Free commissions and good research available. I like it a lot.

BTW, Fidelity is one of the few brokers who does HSAs (Health Spending Accounts - must have a High Deductible Health Insurance Plan).

Paul Madison

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 1:47 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:01 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Our club will be transitioning to another broker (not InteractiveBrokers) and I'm wondering since Folio has a 90 day hold on half of our cash, how will that be handled? Does anyone know?

I'd recommend you ask Folio about that. I don't believe it ended up being a problem when we transitioned our club account last spring, but I don't completely remember.

Laurie Frederiksen
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I would ask about a general partnership account.  That is what our club is. 

Jeff

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On Dec 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Ty Hughes via bivio.com <user*3139700001@bivio.com> wrote:


All:

Thanks for all the responses about brokers.

I am still trying to confirm from Schwab whether we can move our club account there. A local Schwab rep (Arlington, Virginia) told me today that they are not opening any new investment club accounts but are grandfathering existing clubs. However, the Schwab website still has an application for accounts for non-incorporated entitled, e.g., partnerships. The local rep may be incorrect. I will follow-up with Schwab on Monday and report back.

Best regards,

Ty Hughes