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Capital Gains and Tax Implications
We have a dwindling club membership with serveral recent
withdrawals and are contemplating ending our club. We also
have a very large amount of non realized capital gains. If
we were to disolve the club; would the last remaining
members be responsible for large capital gains on the equity
sales to liquidate? Or, is there an accounting work around?
It does not seem fair if the last remaining members get huge
tax bill upon liquidation.
It will all work out correctly when you withdraw each member. Bivio takes everything in consideration when it calculates the withdraws. Someone else can give you the technical explanation but look at the capital gains per each member not the capital gains of the club. No one gets screwed. 

John


On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:06 AM, Joel Olander via bivio.com <user*4343600001@bivio.com> wrote:


We have a dwindling club membership with serveral recent
withdrawals and are contemplating ending our club.  We also
have a very large amount of non realized capital gains.  If
we were to disolve the club; would the last remaining
members be responsible for large capital gains on the equity
sales to liquidate?  Or, is there an accounting work around?
It does not seem fair if the last remaining members get huge
tax bill upon liquidation.


If you transfer appreciated stock and do not liquidate it before disbanding, I believe individuals delay the capital gain until they finally do sell.  That provides the ability to spread the gain over as many years as you continue to hold the stock.
 
Mike Jones
Wall$treet Wannabees
Bloomington, MN


From: John Rice <rice.j1969@att.net>
To: "club_cafe@bivio.com" <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Capital Gains and Tax Implications

It will all work out correctly when you withdraw each member. Bivio takes everything in consideration when it calculates the withdraws. Someone else can give you the technical explanation but look at the capital gains per each member not the capital gains of the club. No one gets screwed. 

John


On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:06 AM, Joel Olander via bivio.com <user*4343600001@bivio.com> wrote:


We have a dwindling club membership with serveral recent
withdrawals and are contemplating ending our club.  We also
have a very large amount of non realized capital gains.  If
we were to disolve the club; would the last remaining
members be responsible for large capital gains on the equity
sales to liquidate?  Or, is there an accounting work around?
It does not seem fair if the last remaining members get huge
tax bill upon liquidation.




both John and Mike are correct. bivio will handle all the tax implications correctly. If you really want to see what they would be, you could even make any entries you are considering and see how the taxes turn out both on the tax allocations report and on each members withdrawal report. You could then delete the temporary entries and make entries for an alternative scenario you'd like to consider.

If you distribute the appreciated stock to pay each member their share, everyone can delay realizing (being taxed on) their gain in their investment in the club until they sell the stock.

This allows each member to time when they'd like to be taxed on those gains.

If you sell all the stock before you disband, everyone will be taxed on their portion of the gain this year.

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Ok, so in essence it's like a mutual fund that liquidates.
The negative issue is that we
have some members who have recently joined; yet they would
have pay long term capital gains
on stocks that have appreciated since we purchased them
(some over 15yrs ago).
Is this correct?
Hi Joel,

No, it doesn't work that way. It's true that if you sell the stocks the
recent members will be picking up gains that may have occurred well before
they became members, but those gains will be added to their basis, and then
they will show an offsetting loss when the club pays them off. The best way
to look at it is to review the member status report. If the stocks are sold
for the values reflected in that report, each member's gain will be as shown
on the report.

Rip West


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From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of Joel
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 5:24 PM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: [club_cafe] Re: Capital Gains and Tax Implications

Ok, so in essence it's like a mutual fund that liquidates.
The negative issue is that we
have some members who have recently joined; yet they would have pay long
term capital gains on stocks that have appreciated since we purchased them
(some over 15yrs ago).
Is this correct?

Hi Joel,

Here's a link to an example that may help you understand the tax issues you'll be facing a little further:


Full Withdrawals, Cash Versus Stock

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