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A Grantor trust is different from a revocable trust and has a different set of rules. Don't confuse the two.
Linda W.


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From: ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com>
Date:12/11/2015 1:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Trusts

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially tax advice from investment advisors. A revocable grantor trust does not file any part of Form 1041. It uses the tax ID number of the grantor and all income is reported on the grantor's personal income tax return.

Ira Smilovitz

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Mike Jones via bivio.com <user*21595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
If a partner titles his/her share in the name of a trust, the club's K-1 will reflect the name of the trust. Then it becomes the responsibility of the trustee to handle tax reporting.  If the trust is revocable, income is taxed as personal income and the trustee must complete a small identification section of Form 1041 and file it, but does not have to report trust income.  If the trust is irrevocable, the trustee must file Form 1041 to report trust income, as long as the trust earned more than $600 during the tax year.   

I am wondering how many people who name a trust as owner of their partnership share are handling this properly.
 


From: Irina Clements <irina39@verizon.net>
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:23 AM
Subject: [club_cafe] Trusts - Allowed or ...

Revising our bylaws.  The ongoing dialog about trusts
concerns me with complexity of issues.  I would prefer to
recommend that the bylaws forbid partners from titling in
individual trusts.

1) is there recommended language for such a provision?
2) I prefer to keep the treasurer's processes uncomplicated
in day to day, annual and tax issues.  What are the pros and
cons of such a provision?  (Understand sole versus joint
concerns, but prefer to omit trust concerns altogether.)



All revocable trusts are grantor trusts, but not all grantor trusts are revocable. My post referred specifically to a revocable grantor trust.

Ira Smilovitz

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Linda <wiltse@optonline.net> wrote:
A Grantor trust is different from a revocable trust and has a different set of rules. Don't confuse the two.
Linda W.


Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S(R)4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: ira smilovitz <ira.smilovitz@gmail.com>
Date:12/11/2015 1:42 PM (GMT-05:00)
Cc:
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Trusts

Don't believe everything you read on the internet, especially tax advice from investment advisors. A revocable grantor trust does not file any part of Form 1041. It uses the tax ID number of the grantor and all income is reported on the grantor's personal income tax return.

Ira Smilovitz

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Mike Jones via bivio.com <user*21595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
If a partner titles his/her share in the name of a trust, the club's K-1 will reflect the name of the trust. Then it becomes the responsibility of the trustee to handle tax reporting. If the trust is revocable, income is taxed as personal income and the trustee must complete a small identification section of Form 1041 and file it, but does not have to report trust income. If the trust is irrevocable, the trustee must file Form 1041 to report trust income, as long as the trust earned more than $600 during the tax year.

I am wondering how many people who name a trust as owner of their partnership share are handling this properly.


From: Irina Clements <irina39@verizon.net>
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:23 AM
Subject: [club_cafe] Trusts - Allowed or ...

Revising our bylaws. The ongoing dialog about trusts
concerns me with complexity of issues. I would prefer to
recommend that the bylaws forbid partners from titling in
individual trusts.

1) is there recommended language for such a provision?
2) I prefer to keep the treasurer's processes uncomplicated
in day to day, annual and tax issues. What are the pros and
cons of such a provision? (Understand sole versus joint
concerns, but prefer to omit trust concerns altogether.)