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Filing 1065; USPS Certified Mail Tracking Incomplete
I mailed the 1065 for 2015 to the IRS on April 4th. I did
not specify a return green post card this year (first time)
as the clerk said their on-line tracking was sufficient.

The tracking shows the envelope reached Salt Lake on April
6th and then "departed USPS Destination Facility" on April
6th with expected delivery at final destination (Odgen, UT)
on April 7th.

To date, there are no further details. I suspect the
envelope reached the IRS, and the postal clerk failed to
scan the envelope at delivery. However, technically I don't
have proof positive that the IRS received the 1065.

My question is which of the following options would be best:

1. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, and do nothing more
unless the IRS ever contacts me about a missing return; at
which time I can show the paper trail of timely posting,
supply a replacement copy, and beg to have the late penalty
waived. The "sleeping dog" approach.

2. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, but after waiting
for the 1065 to be processed and in the IRS computer system;
call them myself to verify the 1065 was received. (Hours on
hold waiting for the IRS to answer does not sound
appealing!) The "pro-active" approach.

3. Mail a second copy of the 1065 before April 18th with a
cover letter explaining why a first copy may be in the IRS
system already. My only concern with this approach is I
don't know how the IRS return entering system would treat
the second copy. Would a clerk check for an existing return
before trying to key in the second copy? If not, would the
computer treat the second copy as an amended return? The
"belt and suspenders" approach.

If you were to follow option two, any guess on how long it
would take to be reflected in the IRS computer system?

Thoughts?

Jack Ranby, Treasurer
Grants Partners Investment Club
I had the same tracking result in Salt Lake, but I had the green post
card returned. I too was concerned until the post card arrived. I
believe your suspicions are correct and your return has been delivered.

Being somewhat paranoid when dealing with the government, I would send a
second copy and use the green post card this time.

Dave Vandaveer, Treasurer
Friday Depositors Investment Club


On 4/11/2016 10:28 AM, John W Ranby wrote:
> I mailed the 1065 for 2015 to the IRS on April 4th. I did
> not specify a return green post card this year (first time)
> as the clerk said their on-line tracking was sufficient.
>
> The tracking shows the envelope reached Salt Lake on April
> 6th and then "departed USPS Destination Facility" on April
> 6th with expected delivery at final destination (Odgen, UT)
> on April 7th.
>
> To date, there are no further details. I suspect the
> envelope reached the IRS, and the postal clerk failed to
> scan the envelope at delivery. However, technically I don't
> have proof positive that the IRS received the 1065.
>
> My question is which of the following options would be best:
>
> 1. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, and do nothing more
> unless the IRS ever contacts me about a missing return; at
> which time I can show the paper trail of timely posting,
> supply a replacement copy, and beg to have the late penalty
> waived. The "sleeping dog" approach.
>
> 2. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, but after waiting
> for the 1065 to be processed and in the IRS computer system;
> call them myself to verify the 1065 was received. (Hours on
> hold waiting for the IRS to answer does not sound
> appealing!) The "pro-active" approach.
>
> 3. Mail a second copy of the 1065 before April 18th with a
> cover letter explaining why a first copy may be in the IRS
> system already. My only concern with this approach is I
> don't know how the IRS return entering system would treat
> the second copy. Would a clerk check for an existing return
> before trying to key in the second copy? If not, would the
> computer treat the second copy as an amended return? The
> "belt and suspenders" approach.
>
> If you were to follow option two, any guess on how long it
> would take to be reflected in the IRS computer system?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jack Ranby, Treasurer
> Grants Partners Investment Club
>
I would choose option 1. If you sent the return certified mail, your receipt is proof of filing. If the IRS ever questions it, all you need to do is provide a fresh copy of the return and the mailing receipt.

If you want to choose option 2, I would wait 4-6 weeks. I have no sense of how quickly the IRS processes returns that neither have a balance due nor a refund.

I would not send another copy until/unless the IRS requests it. This is a sure-fire way to create confusion and problems.

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:28 PM, John W Ranby <ranby@azbar.org> wrote:
I mailed the 1065 for 2015 to the IRS on April 4th. I did
not specify a return green post card this year (first time)
as the clerk said their on-line tracking was sufficient.

The tracking shows the envelope reached Salt Lake on April
6th and then "departed USPS Destination Facility" on April
6th with expected delivery at final destination (Odgen, UT)
on April 7th.

To date, there are no further details. I suspect the
envelope reached the IRS, and the postal clerk failed to
scan the envelope at delivery. However, technically I don't
have proof positive that the IRS received the 1065.

My question is which of the following options would be best:

1. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, and do nothing more
unless the IRS ever contacts me about a missing return; at
which time I can show the paper trail of timely posting,
supply a replacement copy, and beg to have the late penalty
waived. The "sleeping dog" approach.

2. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, but after waiting
for the 1065 to be processed and in the IRS computer system;
call them myself to verify the 1065 was received. (Hours on
hold waiting for the IRS to answer does not sound
appealing!) The "pro-active" approach.

3. Mail a second copy of the 1065 before April 18th with a
cover letter explaining why a first copy may be in the IRS
system already. My only concern with this approach is I
don't know how the IRS return entering system would treat
the second copy. Would a clerk check for an existing return
before trying to key in the second copy? If not, would the
computer treat the second copy as an amended return? The
"belt and suspenders" approach.

If you were to follow option two, any guess on how long it
would take to be reflected in the IRS computer system?

Thoughts?

Jack Ranby, Treasurer
Grants Partners Investment Club

Do not send another copy unless asked for it. The IRS computers do not take kindly to unexpected multiple submissions. (Think identity theft.)

Ira Smilovitz

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Dave Vandaveer <dave@rockisland.com> wrote:
I had the same tracking result in Salt Lake, but I had the green post card returned. I too was concerned until the post card arrived. I believe your suspicions are correct and your return has been delivered.

Being somewhat paranoid when dealing with the government, I would send a second copy and use the green post card this time.

Dave Vandaveer, Treasurer
Friday Depositors Investment Club



On 4/11/2016 10:28 AM, John W Ranby wrote:
I mailed the 1065 for 2015 to the IRS on April 4th. I did
not specify a return green post card this year (first time)
as the clerk said their on-line tracking was sufficient.

The tracking shows the envelope reached Salt Lake on April
6th and then "departed USPS Destination Facility" on April
6th with expected delivery at final destination (Odgen, UT)
on April 7th.

To date, there are no further details. I suspect the
envelope reached the IRS, and the postal clerk failed to
scan the envelope at delivery. However, technically I don't
have proof positive that the IRS received the 1065.

My question is which of the following options would be best:

1. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, and do nothing more
unless the IRS ever contacts me about a missing return; at
which time I can show the paper trail of timely posting,
supply a replacement copy, and beg to have the late penalty
waived. The "sleeping dog" approach.

2. Assume the envelope reached the IRS, but after waiting
for the 1065 to be processed and in the IRS computer system;
call them myself to verify the 1065 was received. (Hours on
hold waiting for the IRS to answer does not sound
appealing!) The "pro-active" approach.

3. Mail a second copy of the 1065 before April 18th with a
cover letter explaining why a first copy may be in the IRS
system already. My only concern with this approach is I
don't know how the IRS return entering system would treat
the second copy. Would a clerk check for an existing return
before trying to key in the second copy? If not, would the
computer treat the second copy as an amended return? The
"belt and suspenders" approach.

If you were to follow option two, any guess on how long it
would take to be reflected in the IRS computer system?

Thoughts?

Jack Ranby, Treasurer
Grants Partners Investment Club



Thanks, Ira. Option 1 was what I was thinking, but
appreciate the confirmation.

Jack Ranby