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Some questions: 

1. How does a club notify the IRS of the date of disbanding?

2. Can you use IRS form 7004 to request a 6 month automatic extension for filing the clubs 1065 form? (our Treasurer is taking an extended vacation)

3.   I think the K1 forms are derived from the 1065.  I assume that means that when the 1065 is eventually produced and K1 forms distributed to partners, the partners will have to produce amended returns?

From Laurie last June:

Bob


Hi,

Clubs disbanding in 2018 will need to comply with the new 2018 audit rules for their reporting. Tax wise, it's a more complicated year to disband.

The IRS has explained how to do that in the current version of their instructions that you can find here:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1065.pdf

It includes a discussion of who can opt out and what you need to do to do so on your tax form.

What gets more complicated is that there are other changes probably coming to reporting for 2018 because of the massive tax law changes at the end of 2017. The IRS has not released any guidance on what those might be yet. You may need to comply with those also. We don't know that yet.

When you disband, you have not only income, but also final withdrawal information to report on your final taxes or K-1's.

So far, we are recommending you work with an accountant for partial year 2018 returns due to the uncertainty of what you need to file and the extra complexity of filling in final tax returns correctly.

It's up to you. The IRS does not issue an income threshold below which you don't have to worry about an audit. Nor can we provide a judgement on that. That would also be something included in the services you'd get from an accountant.

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com


> On Oct 8, 2018, at 8:39 PM, VIA via bivio.com <user*27500300001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Some questions:
>
> 1. How does a club notify the IRS of the date of disbanding?
>
> 2. Can you use IRS form 7004 to request a 6 month automatic extension for filing the clubs 1065 form? (our Treasurer is taking an extended vacation)
>
> 3. I think the K1 forms are derived from the 1065. I assume that means that when the 1065 is eventually produced and K1 forms distributed to partners, the partners will have to produce amended returns?
>
Thanks, Laurie,

Our investment club is not planning to disband.

Bob

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Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 8:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Club Disbanding

From Laurie last June:

Bob


Hi,

Clubs disbanding in 2018 will need to comply with the new 2018 audit rules
for their reporting. Tax wise, it's a more complicated year to disband.

The IRS has explained how to do that in the current version of their
instructions that you can find here:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1065.pdf

It includes a discussion of who can opt out and what you need to do to do so
on your tax form.

What gets more complicated is that there are other changes probably coming
to reporting for 2018 because of the massive tax law changes at the end of
2017. The IRS has not released any guidance on what those might be yet.
You may need to comply with those also. We don't know that yet.

When you disband, you have not only income, but also final withdrawal
information to report on your final taxes or K-1's.

So far, we are recommending you work with an accountant for partial year
2018 returns due to the uncertainty of what you need to file and the extra
complexity of filling in final tax returns correctly.

It's up to you. The IRS does not issue an income threshold below which you
don't have to worry about an audit. Nor can we provide a judgement on that.
That would also be something included in the services you'd get from an
accountant.

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com


> On Oct 8, 2018, at 8:39 PM, VIA via bivio.com <user*27500300001@bivio.com>
wrote:
>
> Some questions:
>
> 1. How does a club notify the IRS of the date of disbanding?
>
> 2. Can you use IRS form 7004 to request a 6 month automatic extension for
filing the clubs 1065 form? (our Treasurer is taking an extended vacation)
>
> 3. I think the K1 forms are derived from the 1065. I assume that means
that when the 1065 is eventually produced and K1 forms distributed to
partners, the partners will have to produce amended returns?
>

Here are the answers to the original questions:

1. When you file your final tax return it will inform the IRS your club has disbanded.

2. Your final club return is due by the 15th day of the third month following the month of disbanding. If you can't file it by then, you can file for an extension.

3. The K-1 forms are part of your club tax filing and are produced when your taxes are done.

If the club can't get K-1 forms to the members in time for them to file their personal taxes on time, they'd need to file for extensions for their personal taxes or file amended returns when they did get their K-1's.

Note that if they did either of these, they'd still need to make personal tax payments that would cover any taxable incomes they had from the club.

Laurie Frederiksen
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laurie,  thanks for the  response.  

Yes I now see on the 1065 a check box under item G that says "Final Return".  
What I don't see is any place for the actual  Date of partnership termination.  So, the IRS assumes that I'm complying with the requirement  and that I'm filing no later than the 15th day of the 3rd month after termination/disbanding???



From: Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz>
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Club Disbanding

Here are the answers to the original questions:
1.   When you file your final tax return it will inform the IRS your club has disbanded.
2.  Your final club return is due by the 15th day of the third month following the month of disbanding.  If you can't file it by then,  you can file for an extension.
3. The K-1 forms are part of your club tax filing and are produced when your taxes are done.  
If the club can't get K-1 forms to the members in time for them to file their personal taxes on time,  they'd need to file for extensions for their personal taxes or file amended returns when they did get their K-1's.  
Note that if they did either of these,  they'd still need to make personal tax payments that would cover any taxable incomes they had from the club.
Laurie Frederiksen
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Yes. Like many things, the IRS doesn't ask for that information on a filed form, but you would need to be able to justify it if you were ever audited.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 2:05 PM VIA via bivio.com <user*27500300001@bivio.com> wrote:
laurie, thanks for the response.

Yes I now see on the 1065 a check box under item G that says "Final Return".
What I don't see is any place for the actual Date of partnership termination. So, the IRS assumes that I'm complying with the requirement and that I'm filing no later than the 15th day of the 3rd month after termination/disbanding???



From: Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz>
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Club Disbanding

Here are the answers to the original questions:
1. When you file your final tax return it will inform the IRS your club has disbanded.
2. Your final club return is due by the 15th day of the third month following the month of disbanding. If you can't file it by then, you can file for an extension.
3. The K-1 forms are part of your club tax filing and are produced when your taxes are done.
If the club can't get K-1 forms to the members in time for them to file their personal taxes on time, they'd need to file for extensions for their personal taxes or file amended returns when they did get their K-1's.
Note that if they did either of these, they'd still need to make personal tax payments that would cover any taxable incomes they had from the club.
Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
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