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Our club was moved from TDAmeritrade to Charles Schwab over
Memorial Day. Since then no trades we have made or deposits
we have made are showing up in bivio. Some I have put in
myself. I changed the brokers account to Charles Schwab in
bivio but it doesn't seem to be working.
Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
to be:

1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
Address, or just
     plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
     person we
     spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
     the Club's new
     Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
     up, I spoke
     to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
     account is used
     ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
     member's
     checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
     returned uncashed."

     That person instructed us to send mo contribution
     checks to the Brokerage
     account number (w/different address from checking
     acct), and
     checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
     Thus I informed
     our members of this change, and we all tried again.
     Since then, these
     second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
     only) managed to
     get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
     got Schwab emails
     telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
     Schwab
     (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
     they went ahead and
     deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
     to do so for
     others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
     of this, and yet
     another round of member payments just began. By
     calling Schwab
     repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
     information about
     when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
     so far, none have
     arrived.

2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
mystery deposits
     into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
     They are
     deposited with no description, other than a reference
     to being 'journaled
     over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
     takes about 20 min
     for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
     every case it's been
     a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
     which company
     sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
     which sometimes results
     in being put on hold a second time while they get that
     answer.

     Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
     about a month
     before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
     the necessary detail.
     (I won't hold my breath.)

Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
funds be available for trading.

And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
check for June!

Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...

Lynda
TERIC
(Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won’t happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club’s experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
Reposting some of our Fidelity experiences from prior posts.

Insights on Fidelity:

- We’re a partnership as a club and been with Fidelity since our inception in 2017.
- We do not use Bivio account sync. We found it easier to just manually input the investment transactions and was easier/cleaner to record member contributions manually (Sync brings them over individually). We average 5-10 transactions a month plus monthly member contributions. Total data entry is typically 5-10 mins / month (Bivio is easy!).
- The Fidelity mobile app can be used for all deposits and trade transactions.
- We have members provide paper checks and mobile deposit them. Electronic / bill pay / mailed-in deposits took longer to post to our account.
- Checks are written against our cash position. We chose to have two signers – but you can have just one.
- No extra fees of any kind.

Service is generally good - although most front line support staff do not know what investment clubs are and issues often need to get escalated to their backoffice team that can dig into their rules. (Pro tip: Ask for escalation to the backoffice team and ask for a case number). They do periodically change their rules on what paperwork is needed for certain asks. Major changes (officers, new authorized agents) require you to have all members sign off on their forms (They do accept electronic scanned forms). We pre-emptively ask now and open a case so we can get their rules answered before we start filling out paperwork. It helps if you are personally a Fidelity customer (and better if you have any higher preferred status with them - where your local Fidelity office rep can prioritize/escalate your request).

Michael Boyd
Salt Pond Investment Club

-----Original Message-----
From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Ronald Close via bivio.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 10:02 PM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab

With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won’t happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club’s experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same date as
> yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or had live
> Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them more than once in
> a day. Our issues and progress continue to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club Address, or
> just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call mystery
> deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be included in this
> month's Treasurer's report, nor will their funds be available for
> trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a deposit from one
> of our member's for a check that I was previously told (by Schwab)
> would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and deposit into
> our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes she'd known that
> before she already initiated yet another check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this opportunity
> to vent. I really do share your frustration, but I think it's going
> to be a month or two before things calm down, and begin to work
> properly. Until then I think our only choice is to keep Schwab on
> speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity?  I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen.  Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours.  It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well.  Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day.  Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1.  Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
>    plain MIA.  That said, this is because the first Schwab
>    person we
>    spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
>    the Club's new
>    Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
>    up, I spoke
>    to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
>    account is used
>    ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
>    member's
>    checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
>    returned uncashed."
>
>    That person instructed us to send mo contribution
>    checks to the Brokerage
>    account number (w/different address from checking
>    acct), and
>    checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
>    Thus I informed
>    our members of this change, and we all tried again.
>    Since then, these
>    second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
>    only) managed to
>    get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
>    got Schwab emails
>    telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
>    Schwab
>    (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
>    they went ahead and
>    deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
>    to do so for
>    others.  Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
>    of this, and yet
>    another round of member payments just began.  By
>    calling Schwab
>    repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
>    information about
>    when returned uncashed checks will arrive.  That said,
>    so far, none have
>    arrived.
>
> 2.  Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
>    into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
>    They are
>    deposited with no description, other than a reference
>    to being 'journaled
>    over.'  Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
>    takes about 20 min
>    for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
>    every case it's been
>    a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
>    which company
>    sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
>    which sometimes results
>    in being put on hold a second time while they get that
>    answer.
>
>    Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
>    about a month
>    before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
>    the necessary detail.
>    (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.'  Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind.  Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent.  I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly.  Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
Received test message. Jo Ann

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> on behalf of denny5648@aol.com via bivio.com <user*25018900001@bivio.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:49:52 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab
 
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity?  I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen.  Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours.  It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well.  Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day.  Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1.  Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
>    plain MIA.  That said, this is because the first Schwab
>    person we
>    spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
>    the Club's new
>    Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
>    up, I spoke
>    to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
>    account is used
>    ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
>    member's
>    checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
>    returned uncashed."
>
>    That person instructed us to send mo contribution
>    checks to the Brokerage
>    account number (w/different address from checking
>    acct), and
>    checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
>    Thus I informed
>    our members of this change, and we all tried again.
>    Since then, these
>    second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
>    only) managed to
>    get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
>    got Schwab emails
>    telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
>    Schwab
>    (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
>    they went ahead and
>    deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
>    to do so for
>    others.  Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
>    of this, and yet
>    another round of member payments just began.  By
>    calling Schwab
>    repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
>    information about
>    when returned uncashed checks will arrive.  That said,
>    so far, none have
>    arrived.
>
> 2.  Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
>    into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
>    They are
>    deposited with no description, other than a reference
>    to being 'journaled
>    over.'  Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
>    takes about 20 min
>    for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
>    every case it's been
>    a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
>    which company
>    sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
>    which sometimes results
>    in being put on hold a second time while they get that
>    answer.
>
>    Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
>    about a month
>    before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
>    the necessary detail.
>    (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.'  Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind.  Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent.  I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly.  Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
Watched the ICLUB webinar last night on switching accounts. We have not been switched to Schwab from TD yet, but from what I have been hearing it is a nightmare. The webinar also said Fidelity would not longer sync with ICLUB and I guess also with Bivio. ICLUB recommended Siebert. They took steps to show how to switch. My goodness it is quite complicated. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:09 AM Engelbrecht, Jo Ann via bivio.com <user*19935100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Received test message. Jo Ann

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> on behalf of denny5648@aol.com via bivio.com <user*25018900001@bivio.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:49:52 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>

Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
One thing I forgot to mention Doug Gerlech (?) said Schwab would not open a new account unless it has $250,000 in it.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:33 AM Lucile Sorrells <lucilefs41@gmail.com> wrote:
Watched the ICLUB webinar last night on switching accounts. We have not been switched to Schwab from TD yet, but from what I have been hearing it is a nightmare. The webinar also said Fidelity would not longer sync with ICLUB and I guess also with Bivio. ICLUB recommended Siebert. They took steps to show how to switch. My goodness it is quite complicated. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:09 AM Engelbrecht, Jo Ann via bivio.com <user*19935100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Received test message. Jo Ann

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> on behalf of denny5648@aol.com via bivio.com <user*25018900001@bivio.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:49:52 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>

Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
For clarification.

250,000 for NEW clubs.

Kevin Gillogly

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 9:38 AM Lucile Sorrells via bivio.com <user*30762600001@bivio.com> wrote:
One thing I forgot to mention Doug Gerlech (?) said Schwab would not open a new account unless it has $250,000 in it.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:33 AM Lucile Sorrells <lucilefs41@gmail.com> wrote:
Watched the ICLUB webinar last night on switching accounts. We have not been switched to Schwab from TD yet, but from what I have been hearing it is a nightmare. The webinar also said Fidelity would not longer sync with ICLUB and I guess also with Bivio. ICLUB recommended Siebert. They took steps to show how to switch. My goodness it is quite complicated. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:09 AM Engelbrecht, Jo Ann via bivio.com <user*19935100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Received test message. Jo Ann

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> on behalf of denny5648@aol.com via bivio.com <user*25018900001@bivio.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:49:52 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>

Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
Fidelity currently syncs with Bivio and I have not heard anything from either Bivio or Fidelity that this is changing.

Carole Jansen
Wise Investment Club

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 8:34 AM Lucile Sorrells via bivio.com <user*30762600001@bivio.com> wrote:
Watched the ICLUB webinar last night on switching accounts. We have not been switched to Schwab from TD yet, but from what I have been hearing it is a nightmare. The webinar also said Fidelity would not longer sync with ICLUB and I guess also with Bivio. ICLUB recommended Siebert. They took steps to show how to switch. My goodness it is quite complicated. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:09 AM Engelbrecht, Jo Ann via bivio.com <user*19935100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Received test message. Jo Ann

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> on behalf of denny5648@aol.com via bivio.com <user*25018900001@bivio.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:49:52 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>

Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)

E*Trade has none of these problems.

Members can directly deposit into the club account, Bivio synchronizes properly and they will transfer stock to departing members own E*Trade accounts.

Lee Weygandt

Market Miners Investment Club.

On 6/16/2023 10:03 AM, Carole Jansen via bivio.com wrote:
Fidelity currently syncs with Bivio and I have not heard anything from either Bivio or Fidelity that this is changing.

Carole Jansen
Wise Investment Club

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 8:34 AM Lucile Sorrells via bivio.com <user*30762600001@bivio.com> wrote:
Watched the ICLUB webinar last night on switching accounts. We have not been switched to Schwab from TD yet, but from what I have been hearing it is a nightmare. The webinar also said Fidelity would not longer sync with ICLUB and I guess also with Bivio. ICLUB recommended Siebert. They took steps to show how to switch. My goodness it is quite complicated. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:09 AM Engelbrecht, Jo Ann via bivio.com <user*19935100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Received test message. Jo Ann

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> on behalf of denny5648@aol.com via bivio.com <user*25018900001@bivio.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:49:52 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>

Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
You are the first to mention E trade, that is good to know.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 9:29 AM Lee Weygandt via bivio.com <user*16990500001@bivio.com> wrote:

E*Trade has none of these problems.

Members can directly deposit into the club account, Bivio synchronizes properly and they will transfer stock to departing members own E*Trade accounts.

Lee Weygandt

Market Miners Investment Club.

On 6/16/2023 10:03 AM, Carole Jansen via bivio.com wrote:
Fidelity currently syncs with Bivio and I have not heard anything from either Bivio or Fidelity that this is changing.

Carole Jansen
Wise Investment Club

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 8:34 AM Lucile Sorrells via bivio.com <user*30762600001@bivio.com> wrote:
Watched the ICLUB webinar last night on switching accounts. We have not been switched to Schwab from TD yet, but from what I have been hearing it is a nightmare. The webinar also said Fidelity would not longer sync with ICLUB and I guess also with Bivio. ICLUB recommended Siebert. They took steps to show how to switch. My goodness it is quite complicated. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:09 AM Engelbrecht, Jo Ann via bivio.com <user*19935100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Received test message. Jo Ann

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> on behalf of denny5648@aol.com via bivio.com <user*25018900001@bivio.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:49:52 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com>

Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab
Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse
Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:


With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)
Hi Gene,

I can't speak to your question re: Fidelity; you might experience similar problems post-transition. But I can offer one 20/20 hindsight piece of advice...

If our club was not yet transitioned, I'd ask members (who could) to pay ahead either one or two month's of contributions. I offered that as an option prior to our transition, but only two members decided to do it that way - now they look like geniuses! In their cases, they have experienced zero transition problems, other than having to re-set-up their future auto payments twice. I've put their early $ in 'Suspense' using Bivio, and will unsuspend the $ at the appropriate time. This one move could save you and your members a lot of headaches!

Also, I really do think that the Schwab problems will get resolved in the next month or so. I'm told that no TDA employees have lost their jobs w/the transition, they are just all converted to being Schwab employees, so I have faith their very smart brains will prevail in time!

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 7:02 PM Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:
With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity? I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen. Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours. It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well. Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day. Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1. Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
> plain MIA. That said, this is because the first Schwab
> person we
> spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
> the Club's new
> Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
> up, I spoke
> to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
> account is used
> ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
> member's
> checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
> returned uncashed."
>
> That person instructed us to send mo contribution
> checks to the Brokerage
> account number (w/different address from checking
> acct), and
> checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
> Thus I informed
> our members of this change, and we all tried again.
> Since then, these
> second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
> only) managed to
> get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
> got Schwab emails
> telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
> Schwab
> (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
> they went ahead and
> deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
> to do so for
> others. Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
> of this, and yet
> another round of member payments just began. By
> calling Schwab
> repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
> information about
> when returned uncashed checks will arrive. That said,
> so far, none have
> arrived.
>
> 2. Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
> into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
> They are
> deposited with no description, other than a reference
> to being 'journaled
> over.' Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
> takes about 20 min
> for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
> every case it's been
> a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
> which company
> sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
> which sometimes results
> in being put on hold a second time while they get that
> answer.
>
> Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
> about a month
> before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
> the necessary detail.
> (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.' Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind. Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent. I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly. Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)

Our small sister's investment club has switched from TD Ameritrade with few issues. We have automatic transfer from our personal accounts to Schwab investment group which happened for all but one and seem to have auto sync. Our club has less than $50,000 in it.

Amy Carlson

Its Relative Investment Club

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Carole Jansen via bivio.com
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 7:03 AM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab

Fidelity currently syncs with Bivio and I have not heard anything from either Bivio or Fidelity that this is changing.

Carole Jansen

Wise Investment Club 

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 8:34 AM Lucile Sorrells via bivio.com <user*30762600001@bivio.com> wrote:

Watched the ICLUB webinar last night on switching accounts.  We have not been switched to Schwab from TD yet, but from what I have been hearing it is a nightmare.  The webinar also said Fidelity would not longer sync with ICLUB and I guess also with Bivio.  ICLUB recommended Siebert.  They took steps to show how to switch.  My goodness it is quite complicated. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:09 AM Engelbrecht, Jo Ann via bivio.com <user*19935100001@bivio.com> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Information from Charles Schwab

 

Our club decided to switch to Fidelity when we learned that Schwab would not allow third party stock transfers when a member made a withdrawal. Several of us had personal experience with Fidelity and were happy with their customer service. We switched in mid-May and so far, all has gone well. We have not made any member deposits yet.

We are getting cash transfers into the Fidelity account that I know are dividends but details are not provided. I spoke to TD Ameritrade to get the information I needed. I was told that if the ex-dividend date was before we moved the account, the dividend would still go to TDA. It is not Fidelity's fault that they can not provide the details. All they see is a cash transfer from TDA. TDA is still mailing monthly statements so I can verify everything in Bivio. While neither firm can tell me just how long this will continue, I would expect it won't be much longer until all the dividends are going directly to Fidelity.

Good luck.

Denyse

Profit Partners Investment Club

On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:18 PM EDT, Ronald Close via bivio.com <user*25867400001@bivio.com> wrote:

With all the problems with SCHWAB would it be advisable to switch to Fidelity?  I have been told our transition to Schwab won't happen for another 2 to 3 months.I would appreciate any club's experience with Fidelity.

Gene Close
In Pursuit of Retirement

Sent from my iPhone


> On Jun 15, 2023, at 9:45 PM, Lynda J. Feit via bivio.com <user*26876200001@bivio.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Karen.  Our club also transitioned to Schwab the same
> date as yours.  It's been a continuing mystery 'adventure'
> for us as well.  Since the transition, I've called and/or
> had live Chats w/Schwab EVERY day - some days I contact them
> more than once in a day.  Our issues and progress continue
> to be:
>
> 1.  Member checks delayed, returned (uncashed) to Club
> Address, or just
>    plain MIA.  That said, this is because the first Schwab
>    person we
>    spoke with, told us to send mo member contributions to
>    the Club's new
>    Schwab bank account Nbr. When payments were not showing
>    up, I spoke
>    to a different Schwab person who said "Your Schwab bank
>    account is used
>    ONLY for outgoing funds, not incoming funds, so your
>    member's
>    checks will likely not be deposited, and their checks
>    returned uncashed."
>
>    That person instructed us to send mo contribution
>    checks to the Brokerage
>    account number (w/different address from checking
>    acct), and
>    checks should be made to JP Morgan/Charles Schwab.
>    Thus I informed
>    our members of this change, and we all tried again.
>    Since then, these
>    second attempts at paying have 'sometimes' (2 cases
>    only) managed to
>    get deposited into the Brokerage acct, after which I
>    got Schwab emails
>    telling me NOT to send checks made to JP Morgan/Charles
>    Schwab
>    (checks should only be made to Charles Schwab), but
>    they went ahead and
>    deposited the checks as a courtesy, but won't continue
>    to do so for
>    others.  Thus, once again I had to advise our Members
>    of this, and yet
>    another round of member payments just began.  By
>    calling Schwab
>    repeatedly, I have been able to get some, though vague,
>    information about
>    when returned uncashed checks will arrive.  That said,
>    so far, none have
>    arrived.
>
> 2.  Mystery Deposits - I have been able to see what I call
> mystery deposits
>    into the Schwab account, under Transactions from day 1.
>    They are
>    deposited with no description, other than a reference
>    to being 'journaled
>    over.'  Each time, I call or live Chat w/Schwab, and it
>    takes about 20 min
>    for a Schwab person to tell me what the money is - in
>    every case it's been
>    a Dividend payment from one of our stocks. They tell me
>    which company
>    sent it, but only if I specifically ask WHO sent it,
>    which sometimes results
>    in being put on hold a second time while they get that
>    answer.
>
>    Schwab advised that we will be in this situation for
>    about a month
>    before dividend payments will start to show up w/all
>    the necessary detail.
>    (I won't hold my breath.)
>
> Thus, most of our members' contributions will not be
> included in this month's Treasurer's report, nor will their
> funds be available for trading.
>
> And just to confuse things a bit more - today I saw a
> deposit from one of our member's for a check that I was
> previously told (by Schwab) would be returned, uncashed.
> This is one of the 2 that Schwab decided to go ahead and
> deposit into our account 'as a courtesy.'  Our member wishes
> she'd known that before she already initiated yet another
> check for June!
>
> Nightmare is the word that comes to mind.  Thanks for this
> opportunity to vent.  I really do share your frustration,
> but I think it's going to be a month or two before things
> calm down, and begin to work properly.  Until then I think
> our only choice is to keep Schwab on speed-dial...
>
> Lynda
> TERIC
> (Thursday Evening Research & Investment Club)

Hi Denny,

What is a third party transfer? Is that a transfer to any
person or entity other than a Club member?

Lynda