Communications
cool_club
HelpRegister
Why to Sell Options Rather Than Buy Them
The recording of the October 3 session discussing the reasons for selling options rather than buying them is now posted on the presentations page at the COOL_Club. You can find it here:

http://www.bivio.com/cool_club/file/Public/Cool_Club_Presentations.html

You can also watch it on YouTube here: http://youtu.be/_tqHrbht9SM

We're still working on editing the recordings which are not posted yet. We'll let you know when they are ready too.

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
Follow Us on Google+




Hi Club Dudies (haha, ok, back to the drawing board on club member's name :)

ETFs:
Virtual Trader  (nope I still haven't switched from Vanguard to Schwab yet but am working on it)
Nov. 2   Sell to Open  -  IWM Nov. Week 2  80  Put    .46 premium   3 contracts
Nov. 9  This was PUT to me - final net cost per share $79.64
I felt at the time that odds were, it would probably expire worthless but, of course, that didn't happen. I am now looking to sell Calls - have placed orders past couple of days but they were not filled. I definitely find that IWM has greater price swings than SPY. I feel a bit more nervous when doing CSP with IWM.

I am looking at SPY Puts (for real money) but am afraid to pull the trigger. From everything I'm reading, it seems like there is more room for them to continue downward. So I'm nervous to jump in just yet.

Theresa





Hello Dudes and Dudettes, I have been monitoring but have yet to pull the trigger as the SPY have been making lower highs and lower lows (downward channel). I am waiting to see some stabilization in the SPY before committing to a trade.
Susan

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Theresa H <breezytreeshome@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Club Dudies (haha, ok, back to the drawing board on club member's name :)

ETFs:
Virtual Trader (nope I still haven't switched from Vanguard to Schwab yet but am working on it)
Nov. 2 Sell to Open - IWM Nov. Week 2 80 Put .46 premium 3 contracts
Nov. 9 This was PUT to me - final net cost per share $79.64
I felt at the time that odds were, it would probably expire worthless but, of course, that didn't happen. I am now looking to sell Calls - have placed orders past couple of days but they were not filled. I definitely find that IWM has greater price swings than SPY. I feel a bit more nervous when doing CSP with IWM.

I am looking at SPY Puts (for real money) but am afraid to pull the trigger. From everything I'm reading, it seems like there is more room for them to continue downward. So I'm nervous to jump in just yet.

Theresa






Susan

I have a similar opinion.  The technical signals seem quite bearish a sample of which you can see at the chart at this link.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p72258987092

So how low or how long the market will go down is unknown but at some point we should see a reversal.  Measures such as RSI being below 30 on the S&P indicate an oversold condition but we need a catalyst to reverse the downtrend such as a settlement of the Fiscal Cliff that would insure growth in GDP, Jobs as well as actions leading to a more balance budget.  An indication the European recession will not deepen and affect the US would also help. 

Under the current scenario I view selling CSP's to be overly risky and likely result in owning the S&P.  I may be slow to learn but I have learned patience in investing is of the utmost importance and I see being patient and holding cash to be the proper action right now.

Dan

On 11/14/2012 1:31 PM, Susan Tanoe wrote:
Hello Dudes and Dudettes, I have been monitoring but have yet to pull the trigger as the SPY have been making lower highs and lower lows (downward channel).  I am waiting to see some stabilization in the SPY before committing to a trade.
 
Susan

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Theresa H <breezytreeshome@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Club Dudies (haha, ok, back to the drawing board on club member's name :)

ETFs:
Virtual Trader  (nope I still haven't switched from Vanguard to Schwab yet but am working on it)
Nov. 2   Sell to Open  -  IWM Nov. Week 2  80  Put    .46 premium   3 contracts
Nov. 9  This was PUT to me - final net cost per share $79.64
I felt at the time that odds were, it would probably expire worthless but, of course, that didn't happen. I am now looking to sell Calls - have placed orders past couple of days but they were not filled. I definitely find that IWM has greater price swings than SPY. I feel a bit more nervous when doing CSP with IWM.

I am looking at SPY Puts (for real money) but am afraid to pull the trigger. From everything I'm reading, it seems like there is more room for them to continue downward. So I'm nervous to jump in just yet.

Theresa







I'm also in the camp of gun shy on using real money. But, I'll practice with my virtual account.

Using nothing more than the 2.10 version of the COOL Tool ETF file, I put in a trade:

STO SPY NOV12 137.5 Put x2 @ 1.20 limit, day only
Net Premium $230.30, APR 102% (my commission rates, not OIC)

It filled after an hour or so. My reason is that I want to be put to and want the higher premium so that I can start placing Calls by next Monday. So I wrote the call At The Money in expectation that I'll be put to for 2 contracts at 137.5 or 138 by Friday's expiration.

No other analysis taken into consideration - just using technical trading based upon Bollinger lines and the spreadsheet.

Malcolm


On 11/14/2012 10:31 AM, Susan Tanoe wrote:
Hello Dudes and Dudettes, I have been monitoring but have yet to pull the trigger as the SPY have been making lower highs and lower lows (downward channel). I am waiting to see some stabilization in the SPY before committing to a trade.
Susan

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Theresa H <breezytreeshome@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Club Dudies (haha, ok, back to the drawing board on club member's name :)

ETFs:
Virtual Trader (nope I still haven't switched from Vanguard to Schwab yet but am working on it)
Nov. 2 Sell to Open - IWM Nov. Week 2 80 Put .46 premium 3 contracts
Nov. 9 This was PUT to me - final net cost per share $79.64
I felt at the time that odds were, it would probably expire worthless but, of course, that didn't happen. I am now looking to sell Calls - have placed orders past couple of days but they were not filled. I definitely find that IWM has greater price swings than SPY. I feel a bit more nervous when doing CSP with IWM.

I am looking at SPY Puts (for real money) but am afraid to pull the trigger. From everything I'm reading, it seems like there is more room for them to continue downward. So I'm nervous to jump in just yet.

Theresa







Even though I wouldn't do a CSP with real money right now, I decided to use the Virtual Trader to try SPY today:

SPY Nov 12  136 Put     3 contracts    .40 premium     31% APR
I placed this order in the morning and when I looked again in the afternoon, it was filled. I noticed that SPY had dropped below 136 and I placed another:

SPY Nov 12  135  Put   3 contracts   .40 premium   31% APR

I don't think this experiment is going to go in my favor, since the price continues to drop, but, luckily, it's just the Virtual Trader.  

Theresa

On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Dan Hess wrote:

Susan

I have a similar opinion.  The technical signals seem quite bearish a sample of which you can see at the chart at this link.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p72258987092

So how low or how long the market will go down is unknown but at some point we should see a reversal.  Measures such as RSI being below 30 on the S&P indicate an oversold condition but we need a catalyst to reverse the downtrend such as a settlement of the Fiscal Cliff that would insure growth in GDP, Jobs as well as actions leading to a more balance budget.  An indication the European recession will not deepen and affect the US would also help. 

Under the current scenario I view selling CSP's to be overly risky and likely result in owning the S&P.  I may be slow to learn but I have learned patience in investing is of the utmost importance and I see being patient and holding cash to be the proper action right now.

Dan

On 11/14/2012 1:31 PM, Susan Tanoe wrote:
Hello Dudes and Dudettes, I have been monitoring but have yet to pull the trigger as the SPY have been making lower highs and lower lows (downward channel).  I am waiting to see some stabilization in the SPY before committing to a trade.
 
Susan

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Theresa H <breezytreeshome@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Club Dudies (haha, ok, back to the drawing board on club member's name :)

ETFs:
Virtual Trader  (nope I still haven't switched from Vanguard to Schwab yet but am working on it)
Nov. 2   Sell to Open  -  IWM Nov. Week 2  80  Put    .46 premium   3 contracts
Nov. 9  This was PUT to me - final net cost per share $79.64
I felt at the time that odds were, it would probably expire worthless but, of course, that didn't happen. I am now looking to sell Calls - have placed orders past couple of days but they were not filled. I definitely find that IWM has greater price swings than SPY. I feel a bit more nervous when doing CSP with IWM.

I am looking at SPY Puts (for real money) but am afraid to pull the trigger. From everything I'm reading, it seems like there is more room for them to continue downward. So I'm nervous to jump in just yet.

Theresa