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GOOG SPLIT
bivio is showing a "Return of capital, GOOGLE INC CL A
(GOOGL)
Spin-off" in our broker account. Our broker account does
not match that. We did not receive capital in the split.
Can you explain this please?
Hi Susan,

Yes. For some reason, Folio is sending over strange information in their datafile on the Google Spinoff.

The return of capital entry is wrong and not needed. You can just delete it.

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On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Susan J Mueller <suemue@comcast.net> wrote:
bivio is showing a "Return of capital, GOOGLE INC CL A
(GOOGL)
Spin-off" in our broker account. Our broker account does
not match that. We did not receive capital in the split.
Can you explain this please?

Our GOOG and GOOGL shares show a different cost basis. How
is this possible if it is just a 2:1 split?
Hi Peg,

Cost basis in a split is allocated based on fair market value of the resulting shares, not on the number of shares. GOOGL was priced slightly higher on the first day than GOOG was.

According the the company form 8937

https://investor.google.com/pdf/2014_form8937.pdf

cost basis was allocated 50.08% to GOOGL.



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On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Margaret F. Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
Our GOOG and GOOGL shares show a different cost basis. How
is this possible if it is just a 2:1 split?

Want to sign up for treasurer training and don't see your ail....Judy Tallman,
Blooming Assets. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Peg,

Cost basis in a split is allocated based on fair market value of the resulting shares, not on the number of shares.  GOOGL was priced slightly higher on the first day than GOOG was.

According the the company form 8937

https://investor.google.com/pdf/2014_form8937.pdf

cost basis was allocated 50.08% to GOOGL.



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On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Margaret F. Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
Our GOOG and GOOGL shares show a different cost basis. How
is this possible if it is just a 2:1 split?

Yes but Bivio shows the price for GOOGL as &1.08 instead of half cost of original GOOG shares.
That is why our bivio and folio account does not match! is bivio going to correct it? Or we need to correct it manually?
Thanks .


On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Judy Tallman <judy.tallman@comcast.net> wrote:
Want to sign up for treasurer training and don't see your ail....Judy Tallman,
Blooming Assets. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Peg,

Cost basis in a split is allocated based on fair market value of the resulting shares, not on the number of shares. GOOGL was priced slightly higher on the first day than GOOG was.

According the the company form 8937

https://investor.google.com/pdf/2014_form8937.pdf

cost basis was allocated 50.08% to GOOGL.



Laurie Frederiksen
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Margaret F. Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
Our GOOG and GOOGL shares show a different cost basis. How
is this possible if it is just a 2:1 split?




--
Aruna.
AccountSync reads data sent from the broker. For the GOOG spinoff, Folio sent through very strange and incorrect information. That is why you have a problem.

If you don't know how to correct the entries, just email us at support@bivio.com and we'll be glad to adjust them for you.


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On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Aruna Parekh <parekharuna@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes but Bivio shows the price for GOOGL as &1.08 instead of half cost of original GOOG shares.
That is why our bivio and folio account does not match! is bivio going to correct it? Or we need to correct it manually?
Thanks .


On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Judy Tallman <judy.tallman@comcast.net> wrote:
Want to sign up for treasurer training and don't see your ail....Judy Tallman,
Blooming Assets. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Peg,

Cost basis in a split is allocated based on fair market value of the resulting shares, not on the number of shares. GOOGL was priced slightly higher on the first day than GOOG was.

According the the company form 8937

https://investor.google.com/pdf/2014_form8937.pdf

cost basis was allocated 50.08% to GOOGL.



Laurie Frederiksen
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On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Margaret F. Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
Our GOOG and GOOGL shares show a different cost basis. How
is this possible if it is just a 2:1 split?




--
Aruna.

I now have three separate cost basis for GOOG and GOOGL.
Bivio valuation report shows one set, TD AMeritrade's
monthly brokerage report has another, and I generate a third
by taking my cost basis from transaction sheets and
multiplying by your 49.92% and 50.02%.

This spinoff is NOT the usual split, which we have dealt
with many times before.

I printed out the 8937 sheet from GOOG to attach to my
transaction sheets to show the calculations used. But which
one to go with?
Dear Peg,

It should be entered as a spinoff, not a split. I'd recommend you use 50.08 as the remaining basis for the GOOGL shares. That is what is shown in the form 8937 and the brokers usually use that information.

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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Margaret F. Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
I now have three separate cost basis for GOOG and GOOGL.
Bivio valuation report shows one set, TD AMeritrade's
monthly brokerage report has another, and I generate a third
by taking my cost basis from transaction sheets and
multiplying by your 49.92% and 50.02%.

This spinoff is NOT the usual split, which we have dealt
with many times before.

I printed out the 8937 sheet from GOOG to attach to my
transaction sheets to show the calculations used. But which
one to go with?

Laurie,
 
I get that it is a spinoff. I get the percentages. I am just not getting the same numbers when I do my calculations. and Bivio is different from me and from TD Ameritrade. There are THREE different cost bases calculations, all based on the same agreed cost basis for my original 5 shares.
 
Peg
 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: GOOG SPLIT
 
Dear Peg,

It should be entered as a spinoff, not a split.  I'd recommend you use 50.08 as the remaining basis for the GOOGL shares.  That is what is shown in the form 8937 and the brokers usually use that information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Margaret F. Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
I now have three separate cost basis for GOOG and GOOGL.
Bivio valuation report shows one set, TD AMeritrade's
monthly brokerage report has another, and I generate a third
by taking my cost basis from transaction sheets and
multiplying by your 49.92% and 50.02%.

This spinoff is NOT the usual split, which we have dealt
with many times before.

I printed out the 8937 sheet from GOOG to attach to my
transaction sheets to show the calculations used. But which
one to go with?
 
Dear Peg,

Cost basis is allocated in a spinoff based on fair market value of the shares immediately after the spinoff. There can be some variation allowed in how that is determined. It can be opening price on the day after the spinoff, average price on the day after the spinoff or even closing price on the day after the spinoff.

In my experience lately, brokers have been using the form 8937 numbers to allocate basis. This didn't come out until about a week after they had to enter the spinoff in your records. If the basis they show doesn't agree with the form 8937, there is a good chance they will adjust it later. That is where I got the 50.08 remaining basis percentage I suggested you use.

We didn't have that number when we initially made the AccountSync entries. Rather than wait for it, (since lots of clubs own Google and we were getting lots of requests to make the entries) we used opening price on the day after the spinoff.

So there is a good chance none of the amounts you are seeing is "wrong", tax wise. But it should be easy to match the brokers numbers if you'd like.

Send the specific numbers you are using to do your calculations to support@bivio.com and we will take a more detailed look at them for you.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Peg Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
Laurie,
I get that it is a spinoff. I get the percentages. I am just not getting the same numbers when I do my calculations. and Bivio is different from me and from TD Ameritrade. There are THREE different cost bases calculations, all based on the same agreed cost basis for my original 5 shares.
Peg
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: GOOG SPLIT
Dear Peg,

It should be entered as a spinoff, not a split. I'd recommend you use 50.08 as the remaining basis for the GOOGL shares. That is what is shown in the form 8937 and the brokers usually use that information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Margaret F. Wentworth <pegw@comcast.net> wrote:
I now have three separate cost basis for GOOG and GOOGL.
Bivio valuation report shows one set, TD AMeritrade's
monthly brokerage report has another, and I generate a third
by taking my cost basis from transaction sheets and
multiplying by your 49.92% and 50.02%.

This spinoff is NOT the usual split, which we have dealt
with many times before.

I printed out the 8937 sheet from GOOG to attach to my
transaction sheets to show the calculations used. But which
one to go with?