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Member payments with valuation in prior year
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott


Thanks. When all 2017 entries are complete will I need to correct or change anything related to the member payments?
Thanks again.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott



No. Any changes will update your subsequent entries automatically.

You'll just won't have correct reporting until you have finalized and verified all of your prior information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks. When all 2017 entries are complete will I need to correct or change anything related to the member payments?
Thanks again.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott




Will the same apply to a withdrawal made in 2018 based on a valuation date in 2018 that may happen before 2017 is finalized?
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

No. Any changes will update your subsequent entries automatically.

You'll just won't have correct reporting until you have finalized and verified all of your prior information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks. When all 2017 entries are complete will I need to correct or change anything related to the member payments?
Thanks again.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott





You do not want to determine any withdrawal payout amounts or enter any withdrawals until you have verified that your records are accurate and up to date through the withdrawal valuation and transaction dates.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Will the same apply to a withdrawal made in 2018 based on a valuation date in 2018 that may happen before 2017 is finalized?
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

No. Any changes will update your subsequent entries automatically.

You'll just won't have correct reporting until you have finalized and verified all of your prior information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks. When all 2017 entries are complete will I need to correct or change anything related to the member payments?
Thanks again.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott






Good information. Sounds very different than member payments. I guess partner will have to wait until the books are closed on 2017.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

You do not want to determine any withdrawal payout amounts or enter any withdrawals until you have verified that your records are accurate and up to date through the withdrawal valuation and transaction dates.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Will the same apply to a withdrawal made in 2018 based on a valuation date in 2018 that may happen before 2017 is finalized?
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

No. Any changes will update your subsequent entries automatically.

You'll just won't have correct reporting until you have finalized and verified all of your prior information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks. When all 2017 entries are complete will I need to correct or change anything related to the member payments?
Thanks again.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott







It is different because you can't undo an incorrect withdrawal payout so you don't want to make them until you are sure everything is verified.

You also wouldn't want to do taxes until you had everything verified.

The best way to do this is to do the annual audit we recommend. We'll be doing a presentation on how it is done on Saturday January 13. You can register for the webinar here:

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Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Good information. Sounds very different than member payments. I guess partner will have to wait until the books are closed on 2017.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

You do not want to determine any withdrawal payout amounts or enter any withdrawals until you have verified that your records are accurate and up to date through the withdrawal valuation and transaction dates.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Will the same apply to a withdrawal made in 2018 based on a valuation date in 2018 that may happen before 2017 is finalized?
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

No. Any changes will update your subsequent entries automatically.

You'll just won't have correct reporting until you have finalized and verified all of your prior information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks. When all 2017 entries are complete will I need to correct or change anything related to the member payments?
Thanks again.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott








Scott--It seem that you have a couple of things going on and the terminology you are using is confusing. When you say "member payments" do you mean payments to the club or do you mean payments to a resigning member?

Either way, your payment date (or deposit date, whichever the case) should be when the payment/deposit is made, not as of a valuation date. This keeps your cash balances accurate and makes it much easier to reconcile the bank account.

My 2 cents.

Regards,


Peter Dunkelberger


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Good information. Sounds very different than member payments. I guess partner will have to wait until the books are closed on 2017.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

You do not want to determine any withdrawal payout amounts or enter any withdrawals until you have verified that your records are accurate and up to date through the withdrawal valuation and transaction dates.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:29 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Will the same apply to a withdrawal made in 2018 based on a valuation date in 2018 that may happen before 2017 is finalized?
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

No. Any changes will update your subsequent entries automatically.

You'll just won't have correct reporting until you have finalized and verified all of your prior information.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks. When all 2017 entries are complete will I need to correct or change anything related to the member payments?
Thanks again.
scott


On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

Hi Scott,

I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question right, but I'll start by assuming that when you say "Purchases by members" , you mean member payments.

You can enter those for 2018 using a 2017 valuation date, but they will not be registered correctly you are sure all of your 2017 entries are correct.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Scott Freeman via bivio.com <user*1595500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Hi:
Does it matter if purchases by members made in 2018 have a
valuation date in 2017 are entered before the books are
closed on 2017?
Thanks,
Scott