I appreciate you all for passing on all of your "legwork". Super helpful info
Anyone use eTrade?
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On Dec 7, 2020, at 12:49 PM, relick3@pacbell.net wrote:
Ok more info
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From: "Daniel Williams via bivio.com" <user*33673100001@bivio.com> Date: December 7, 2020 at 12:43:09 PM EST To: club_cafe@bivio.com, "Ty Hughes via bivio.com" <user*3139700001@bivio.com> Subject:Re: [club_cafe] The Fun Never Stops in 2020 - Attn Folio Clubs Reply-To: club_cafe@bivio.com
In my opinion, this is very disappointing and short-sighted on Schwab's part. A lot of people use their work with IC's to discipline themselves about staying connected with their investments, and to help with research not only for the club, but also for their personal account(s). In a lot of cases, their stake in their club is only a small portion of their overall holdings. Working with TDA's investment website is vastly different from working with Etrade's, and an individual is likely to prefer one over the other, or choose one based on which site the club deals with. Discouraging clubs may be inadvertently turning away business.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Ty Hughes via bivio.com
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Update.
I spoke with both Schwab and TD Ameritrade this morning. According to the Schwab representative, Schwab has raised its account minimum for new investment clubs to $1 million. The same representative said the $1 million thresholds would apply to partnership accounts whose business is investing, even if the partnership was not called an investment club. The lower $250k threshold only applies to businesses. I don't know why Schwab draws that distinction because the legal entity is a general partnership regardless of whether it operates as an investment club or a business. Schwab clearly does not want to deal with small investment clubs. However, Schwab has grandfathered all existing investment club accounts, so they are not subject to the $1 million minimum.
TD Ameritrade was far more accommodating and helpful, although I expect that will change as their operations are absorbed by Schwab over the next 18 months. TD Ameritrade's application is a little easier than that of Schwab. The TD Ameritrade rep said that a copy of the partnership agreement with signatures would suffice in lieu of individual partner signatures on the account application. (We'll see if that advice is correct.)
One small difference between the Schwab and TD Ameritrade account applications is in the disclosure of beneficial ownership. The TD Schwab threshold is 10%, while the TD Ameritrade threshold is 25% (10% for foreign entities).
So, I think we are going to try to move our FolioInvesting account to TD Ameritrade.
Best regards,
Ty Hughes
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DrDave on
Yes, we use Etrade, for about 6 years now. They've always been great for us. No hassles. We have a legit "investing club" account.
You can use the Etrade website, 2 mobile apps, Power Etrade, or Etrade Pro for Mac or Windows.
Etrade Pro is similar to Think or Swim, many similarities and some differences in strengths & weaknesses. I use Etrade Pro every day.
In my opinion, this is very disappointing and short-sighted on Schwab's part. A lot of people use their work with IC's to discipline themselves about staying connected with their investments, and to help with research not only for the club, but also for their personal account(s). In a lot of cases, their stake in their club is only a small portion of their overall holdings. Working with TDA's investment website is vastly different from working with Etrade's, and an individual is likely to prefer one over the other, or choose one based on which site the club deals with. Discouraging clubs may be inadvertently turning away business.
I spoke with both Schwab and TD Ameritrade this morning. According to the Schwab representative, Schwab has raised its account minimum for new investment clubs to $1 million. The same representative said the $1 million thresholds would apply to partnership accounts whose business is investing, even if the partnership was not called an investment club. The lower $250k threshold only applies to businesses. I don't know why Schwab draws that distinction because the legal entity is a general partnership regardless of whether it operates as an investment club or a business. Schwab clearly does not want to deal with small investment clubs. However, Schwab has grandfathered all existing investment club accounts, so they are not subject to the $1 million minimum.
TD Ameritrade was far more accommodating and helpful, although I expect that will change as their operations are absorbed by Schwab over the next 18 months. TD Ameritrade's application is a little easier than that of Schwab. The TD Ameritrade rep said that a copy of the partnership agreement with signatures would suffice in lieu of individual partner signatures on the account application. (We'll see if that advice is correct.)
One small difference between the Schwab and TD Ameritrade account applications is in the disclosure of beneficial ownership. The TD Schwab threshold is 10%, while the TD Ameritrade threshold is 25% (10% for foreign entities).
So, I think we are going to try to move our FolioInvesting account to TD Ameritrade.
Best regards,
Ty Hughes
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relick3 on
DrDave:
Thanks!
Oh...And....syncing with Bivio is smooth?
What are the costs for each trade?
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On Dec 7, 2020, at 3:19 PM, DrDave via bivio.com <user*34979900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Yes, we use Etrade, for about 6 years now. They've always been great for us. No hassles. We have a legit "investing club" account.
You can use the Etrade website, 2 mobile apps, Power Etrade, or Etrade Pro for Mac or Windows.
Etrade Pro is similar to Think or Swim, many similarities and some differences in strengths & weaknesses. I use Etrade Pro every day.
In my opinion, this is very disappointing and short-sighted on Schwab's part. A lot of people use their work with IC's to discipline themselves about staying connected with their investments, and to help with research not only for the club, but also for their personal account(s). In a lot of cases, their stake in their club is only a small portion of their overall holdings. Working with TDA's investment website is vastly different from working with Etrade's, and an individual is likely to prefer one over the other, or choose one based on which site the club deals with. Discouraging clubs may be inadvertently turning away business.
I spoke with both Schwab and TD Ameritrade this morning. According to the Schwab representative, Schwab has raised its account minimum for new investment clubs to $1 million. The same representative said the $1 million thresholds would apply to partnership accounts whose business is investing, even if the partnership was not called an investment club. The lower $250k threshold only applies to businesses. I don't know why Schwab draws that distinction because the legal entity is a general partnership regardless of whether it operates as an investment club or a business. Schwab clearly does not want to deal with small investment clubs. However, Schwab has grandfathered all existing investment club accounts, so they are not subject to the $1 million minimum.
TD Ameritrade was far more accommodating and helpful, although I expect that will change as their operations are absorbed by Schwab over the next 18 months. TD Ameritrade's application is a little easier than that of Schwab. The TD Ameritrade rep said that a copy of the partnership agreement with signatures would suffice in lieu of individual partner signatures on the account application. (We'll see if that advice is correct.)
One small difference between the Schwab and TD Ameritrade account applications is in the disclosure of beneficial ownership. The TD Schwab threshold is 10%, while the TD Ameritrade threshold is 25% (10% for foreign entities).
So, I think we are going to try to move our FolioInvesting account to TD Ameritrade.