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I read the instructions, but I wanted to be sure I interpreted it correctly. Regulations 1.60851 just didn't clear it up for me.....sorry I was not comfortable
with my own simple decision, since it did say your 7004 would be rejected if filled out wrong.

I do so appreciate having people on this forum that have the knowledge and experience to help club treasurer's do their job. With the provided guidance
I can submit 7004, knowing that I did nothing wrong on it! This is certainly not the first time that I have gotten good information and assistance with doing
the duties of my club, either through this newsletter or the Help and discussion on Bivio. I have been treasurer for a long time.

Kudos to the Bivio team and volunteers!!

Genie


"4 If the organization is a corporation or partnership that qualifies under Regulations section 1.6081-5, check here"


On 2/25/2022 2:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com wrote:
Read the instructions!!

Peter Dunkelberger

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 2:15 PM Genie Shoffey via bivio.com <user*15744200001@bivio.com> wrote:
How do we mark the box for Line 4 of Form 7004 if all partners are domestic?
Thank you!
Genie
On 2/25/2022 9:57 AM, Laurie Frederiksen wrote:

Have you looked at the instructions and sample we have provided?

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Kevin Bray via bivio.com <user*17412400001@bivio.com> wrote:

Laurie:

I am confused along with all the other people. I have looked at the Form 7004. The last three steps to fill out pertain to tentative total tax, Total payments and Balance due. How do we answer these three questions if we have not run the numbers through the Bivio program and getting the information needed for the IRS.

Kevin Bray

The Lucre Society

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 09:12
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

You've sent this same question to support and we have sent you a link with very complete instructions for filling in the form. It also includes links to a sample filled in form.

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

It really is not that hard to fill in.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:09 AM Alessandro Squeo via bivio.com <user*8340400001@bivio.com> wrote:

I Ira and Bivio team, the instructions are not very clear on
form 7004. What do
we put in the field "Identifying Number"? Is that the EIN of
the Partnership? How we determine what to put for field 6,
7? What else do we need to include with this form.

Can Bivio generate the form 7004 for us to download and
send? Makes
sense since we're paying for this service.

What are your thoughts?

I also requested if there is someone that we could talk to
at Bivio Support via phone call?
Is that possible.

Best Regards,
Alessandro Squeo


--
Thanks,
Genie
(816) 516-3727

--
Thanks,
Genie
(816) 516-3727
I agree...File an extension for your club!

On Friday, February 25, 2022, 04:42:19 PM CST, Butch Lang via bivio.com <user*13990800001@bivio.com> wrote:


Are you sure, "confused with all other people" is true?  I think Laurie 'and team' have done an outstanding job with this situation.  I along with "all other people" need to read all of the subject thread and I believe we will find the answers we are looking for.
 
Thanks "bivio" for all of your efforts, you have returned far more service than the payments that you have received from us.
 
Butch and club members
Bullish Investors LLC


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Bray via bivio.com <user*17412400001@bivio.com>
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2022 9:42 am
Subject: RE: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

Laurie:
 
I am confused along with all the other people. I have looked at the Form 7004. The last three steps to fill out pertain to tentative total tax, Total payments and Balance due. How do we answer these three questions if we have not run the numbers through the Bivio program and getting the information needed for the IRS.
 
Kevin Bray
The Lucre Society
 
From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 09:12
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments
 
You've sent this same question to support and we have sent you a link with very complete instructions for filling in the form.  It also includes links to a sample filled in form.
It really is not that hard to fill in.
Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend!  www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter!  www.twitter.com/bivio
Follow Us on Google+

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On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:09 AM Alessandro Squeo via bivio.com <user*8340400001@bivio.com> wrote:
I Ira and Bivio team, the instructions are not very clear on
form 7004. What do
we put in the field "Identifying Number"? Is that the EIN of
the Partnership? How we determine what to put for field 6,
7? What else do we need to include with this form.

Can Bivio generate the form 7004 for us to download and
send? Makes
sense since we're paying for this service.

What are your thoughts?

I also requested if there is someone that we could talk to
at Bivio Support via phone call?
Is that possible.

Best Regards,
Alessandro Squeo
Regulation 1.6081-5 applies to partnerships that maintain their records outside of the US. They can get a three month extension and then an additional three months.

Ira Smilovitz

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 5:49 PM Genie Shoffey via bivio.com <user*15744200001@bivio.com> wrote:
I read the instructions, but I wanted to be sure I interpreted it correctly. Regulations 1.60851 just didn't clear it up for me.....sorry I was not comfortable
with my own simple decision, since it did say your 7004 would be rejected if filled out wrong.

I do so appreciate having people on this forum that have the knowledge and experience to help club treasurer's do their job. With the provided guidance
I can submit 7004, knowing that I did nothing wrong on it! This is certainly not the first time that I have gotten good information and assistance with doing
the duties of my club, either through this newsletter or the Help and discussion on Bivio. I have been treasurer for a long time.

Kudos to the Bivio team and volunteers!!

Genie


"4 If the organization is a corporation or partnership that qualifies under Regulations section 1.6081-5, check here"


On 2/25/2022 2:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com wrote:
Read the instructions!!

Peter Dunkelberger

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 2:15 PM Genie Shoffey via bivio.com <user*15744200001@bivio.com> wrote:
How do we mark the box for Line 4 of Form 7004 if all partners are domestic?
Thank you!
Genie
On 2/25/2022 9:57 AM, Laurie Frederiksen wrote:

Have you looked at the instructions and sample we have provided?

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:52 AM Kevin Bray via bivio.com <user*17412400001@bivio.com> wrote:

Laurie:

I am confused along with all the other people. I have looked at the Form 7004. The last three steps to fill out pertain to tentative total tax, Total payments and Balance due. How do we answer these three questions if we have not run the numbers through the Bivio program and getting the information needed for the IRS.

Kevin Bray

The Lucre Society

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 09:12
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

You've sent this same question to support and we have sent you a link with very complete instructions for filling in the form. It also includes links to a sample filled in form.

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

It really is not that hard to fill in.

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend! www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter! www.twitter.com/bivio
Follow Us on Google+

Click here to Subscribe to the Club Cafe email list. Click here to Unsubscribe

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:09 AM Alessandro Squeo via bivio.com <user*8340400001@bivio.com> wrote:

I Ira and Bivio team, the instructions are not very clear on
form 7004. What do
we put in the field "Identifying Number"? Is that the EIN of
the Partnership? How we determine what to put for field 6,
7? What else do we need to include with this form.

Can Bivio generate the form 7004 for us to download and
send? Makes
sense since we're paying for this service.

What are your thoughts?

I also requested if there is someone that we could talk to
at Bivio Support via phone call?
Is that possible.

Best Regards,
Alessandro Squeo


--
Thanks,
Genie
(816) 516-3727

--
Thanks,
Genie
(816) 516-3727

I totally agree with Butch and thank Bivio for all the information provided. Way beyond the call of duty and couldn't be more clear.

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Butch Lang via bivio.com
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:42 PM
To: user*17412400001@bivio.com; club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

Are you sure, "confused with all other people" is true?  I think Laurie 'and team' have done an outstanding job with this situation.  I along with "all other people" need to read all of the subject thread and I believe we will find the answers we are looking for.

 

Thanks "bivio" for all of your efforts, you have returned far more service than the payments that you have received from us.

 

Butch and club members

Bullish Investors LLC

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Bray via bivio.com <user*17412400001@bivio.com>
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2022 9:42 am
Subject: RE: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

Laurie:

 

I am confused along with all the other people. I have looked at the Form 7004. The last three steps to fill out pertain to tentative total tax, Total payments and Balance due. How do we answer these three questions if we have not run the numbers through the Bivio program and getting the information needed for the IRS.

 

Kevin Bray

The Lucre Society

 

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 09:12
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

 

You've sent this same question to support and we have sent you a link with very complete instructions for filling in the form.  It also includes links to a sample filled in form.

It really is not that hard to fill in.

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend!  www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter!  www.twitter.com/bivio
Follow Us on Google+

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On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:09 AM Alessandro Squeo via bivio.com <user*8340400001@bivio.com> wrote:

I Ira and Bivio team, the instructions are not very clear on
form 7004. What do
we put in the field "Identifying Number"? Is that the EIN of
the Partnership? How we determine what to put for field 6,
7? What else do we need to include with this form.

Can Bivio generate the form 7004 for us to download and
send? Makes
sense since we're paying for this service.

What are your thoughts?

I also requested if there is someone that we could talk to
at Bivio Support via phone call?
Is that possible.

Best Regards,
Alessandro Squeo

Thank you Peter and Bivio! I'm amazed at the needless amount of additional work created from inefficiencies in our tax system; however, your advice is greatly appreciated as it simplifies this process as much as possible.

Jimmy

James P. Dickerson  

TLP Investment Club

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 3:11 PM
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

There normally is no partnership tax.  When was the last time your club paid any partnership tax??  

There are 8 lines on the whole form!!  

-put in the club name and address and your employer identification number

-for Part 1 line 1, the form number is 09, for the form 1065.

-unless you have a very unusual situation, lines 2, 3 & 4 do not need to be completed.  

-line 5a insert 21 in the first blank.

-line 5b can be left blank unless your club is brand new, or filing its final return and it is a "short year" (less than 12 months) return.

-lines 6, 7 &8 should be zero.

Remember that this form is for the club not your members.

You don't even have to sign it.  Send it off certified mail (return receipt if you think it is necessary) and be done with it and wait for Bivio.

BTW, this advice is only worth what you have paid for it, I take no responsibility for your forms, but it will apply to 99.9% of the clubs.

Peter Dunkelberger

Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 2:55 PM Alessandro Squeo via bivio.com <user*8340400001@bivio.com> wrote:

Yes, the same here.  It would have been easier if Bivio generated the extension form for us.  It is hard to know what the tentative total tax is?  ST gain / loss or LT gain /Loss, Total payments, credits???


Alessandro

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 9:51 AM Kevin Bray via bivio.com <user*17412400001@bivio.com> wrote:

Laurie:

 

I am confused along with all the other people. I have looked at the Form 7004. The last three steps to fill out pertain to tentative total tax, Total payments and Balance due. How do we answer these three questions if we have not run the numbers through the Bivio program and getting the information needed for the IRS.

 

Kevin Bray

The Lucre Society

 

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Laurie Frederiksen
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 09:12
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] Re: Extensions and amendments

 

You've sent this same question to support and we have sent you a link with very complete instructions for filling in the form.  It also includes links to a sample filled in form.

https://www.bivio.com/site-help/bp/Filing_For_An_Extension_Help

It really is not that hard to fill in.

Laurie Frederiksen
Invest with your friends!
www.bivio.com

Become our Facebook friend!  www.facebook.com/bivio
Follow us on twitter!  www.twitter.com/bivio
Follow Us on Google+

Click here to Subscribe to the Club Cafe email list.  Click here to  Unsubscribe

 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:09 AM Alessandro Squeo via bivio.com <user*8340400001@bivio.com> wrote:

I Ira and Bivio team, the instructions are not very clear on
form 7004. What do
we put in the field "Identifying Number"? Is that the EIN of
the Partnership? How we determine what to put for field 6,
7? What else do we need to include with this form.

Can Bivio generate the form 7004 for us to download and
send? Makes
sense since we're paying for this service.

What are your thoughts?

I also requested if there is someone that we could talk to
at Bivio Support via phone call?
Is that possible.

Best Regards,
Alessandro Squeo