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Interesting. Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company. When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware. If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified). And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information. I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law. My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S., and the stock is traded on NASDAQ. The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC). I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC. Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis
You are correct 

Carolyn 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting.  Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company.  When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware.  If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified).  And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information.  I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law.  My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S.,  and the stock is traded on NASDAQ.  The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC).  I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC.  Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified. 

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend. 

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct 

Carolyn 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting.  Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company.  When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware.  If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified).  And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information.  I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law.  My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S.,  and the stock is traded on NASDAQ.  The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC).  I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC.  Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis
Yes. I did not mention that, but my club has met that holding period.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM LINDA PALMER via bivio.com <user*18820100001@bivio.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified.

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct

Carolyn

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting. Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company. When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware. If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified). And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information. I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law. My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S., and the stock is traded on NASDAQ. The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC). I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC. Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis

The section titled:

Distributions on Ordinary shares

starting on page 70 in their most recent annual SEC filing discusses the taxation of their dividends:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1119083/000121390021016243/f20f2020_mindcti.htm

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:50 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Yes. I did not mention that, but my club has met that holding period.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM LINDA PALMER via bivio.com <user*18820100001@bivio.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified.

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct

Carolyn

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting. Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company. When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware. If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified). And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information. I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law. My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S., and the stock is traded on NASDAQ. The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC). I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC. Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis
Thanks Laurie. If you read that section and came up with a different answer, please let me know. My reading indicates that the dividends are qualified and that my broker is wrong in classifying these dividends as nonqualified.

Thanks again.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:16 AM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The section titled:

Distributions on Ordinary shares

starting on page 70 in their most recent annual SEC filing discusses the taxation of their dividends:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1119083/000121390021016243/f20f2020_mindcti.htm

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:50 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Yes. I did not mention that, but my club has met that holding period.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM LINDA PALMER via bivio.com <user*18820100001@bivio.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified.

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct

Carolyn

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting. Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company. When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware. If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified). And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information. I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law. My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S., and the stock is traded on NASDAQ. The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC). I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC. Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis

I'd need to know more about why the broker is reporting them as they are.

You need to ask them this question. You may have to ask for their tax department to get a good answer.

If the company was classified as a PFIC and that caused the reporting you see, you will have other bigger issues that you'll need to work with an outside accountant to address.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 12:02 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks Laurie. If you read that section and came up with a different answer, please let me know. My reading indicates that the dividends are qualified and that my broker is wrong in classifying these dividends as nonqualified.

Thanks again.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:16 AM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The section titled:

Distributions on Ordinary shares

starting on page 70 in their most recent annual SEC filing discusses the taxation of their dividends:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1119083/000121390021016243/f20f2020_mindcti.htm

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:50 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Yes. I did not mention that, but my club has met that holding period.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM LINDA PALMER via bivio.com <user*18820100001@bivio.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified.

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct

Carolyn

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting. Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company. When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware. If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified). And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information. I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law. My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S., and the stock is traded on NASDAQ. The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC). I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC. Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis
Right. I have posed this question to TD Ameritrade already, and getting a helpful response is difficult. I have even written the MIND, CTI., investor relations department, and their response last year was that it is all in the annual report. They really cannot be definitive about US taxes, except telling one what happens "if...". Indeed, they might be a PFIC, but I would be really surprised. And it is difficult to get into the inner workings of TDA.

Thanks,

Peter

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 1:03 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

I'd need to know more about why the broker is reporting them as they are.

You need to ask them this question. You may have to ask for their tax department to get a good answer.

If the company was classified as a PFIC and that caused the reporting you see, you will have other bigger issues that you'll need to work with an outside accountant to address.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 12:02 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks Laurie. If you read that section and came up with a different answer, please let me know. My reading indicates that the dividends are qualified and that my broker is wrong in classifying these dividends as nonqualified.

Thanks again.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:16 AM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The section titled:

Distributions on Ordinary shares

starting on page 70 in their most recent annual SEC filing discusses the taxation of their dividends:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1119083/000121390021016243/f20f2020_mindcti.htm

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:50 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Yes. I did not mention that, but my club has met that holding period.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM LINDA PALMER via bivio.com <user*18820100001@bivio.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified.

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct

Carolyn

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting. Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company. When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware. If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified). And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information. I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law. My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S., and the stock is traded on NASDAQ. The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC). I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC. Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


--
Carolyn Sturgis
Peter,

Do you have a local Schwab office.  They are also your TDA office.  Maybe they would be more helpful 

Carolyn 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Right.  I have posed this question to TD Ameritrade already, and getting a helpful response is difficult.  I  have even written the MIND, CTI., investor relations department, and their response last year was that it is all in the annual report.  They really cannot be definitive about US taxes, except telling one what happens "if...".  Indeed, they might be a PFIC, but I would be really surprised.  And it is difficult to get into the inner workings of TDA.

Thanks,

Peter

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 1:03 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

I'd need to know more about why the broker is reporting them as they are.

You need to ask them this question.  You may have to ask for their tax department to get a good answer.

If the company was classified as a PFIC and that caused the reporting you see,  you will have other bigger issues that you'll need to work with an outside accountant to address.

Laurie Frederiksen
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 12:02 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks Laurie. If you read that section and came up with a different answer, please let me know.  My reading indicates that the dividends are qualified and that my broker is wrong in classifying these dividends as nonqualified.

Thanks again.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:16 AM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The section titled:

Distributions on Ordinary shares

starting on page 70  in their most recent annual SEC filing discusses the taxation of their dividends:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1119083/000121390021016243/f20f2020_mindcti.htm

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:50 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Yes.  I did not mention that, but my club has met that holding period.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM LINDA PALMER via bivio.com <user*18820100001@bivio.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified. 

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend. 

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On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct 

Carolyn 

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On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting.  Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company.  When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware.  If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified).  And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information.  I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law.  My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S.,  and the stock is traded on NASDAQ.  The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC).  I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC.  Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


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Hmmm. Thanks Carolyn. I will check that out.

Peter

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 3:53 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Peter,

Do you have a local Schwab office. They are also your TDA office. Maybe they would be more helpful

Carolyn

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On Mar 9, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Right. I have posed this question to TD Ameritrade already, and getting a helpful response is difficult. I have even written the MIND, CTI., investor relations department, and their response last year was that it is all in the annual report. They really cannot be definitive about US taxes, except telling one what happens "if...". Indeed, they might be a PFIC, but I would be really surprised. And it is difficult to get into the inner workings of TDA.

Thanks,

Peter

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 1:03 PM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

I'd need to know more about why the broker is reporting them as they are.

You need to ask them this question. You may have to ask for their tax department to get a good answer.

If the company was classified as a PFIC and that caused the reporting you see, you will have other bigger issues that you'll need to work with an outside accountant to address.

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On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 12:02 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Thanks Laurie. If you read that section and came up with a different answer, please let me know. My reading indicates that the dividends are qualified and that my broker is wrong in classifying these dividends as nonqualified.

Thanks again.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 9:16 AM Laurie Frederiksen <laurie@bivio.biz> wrote:

The section titled:

Distributions on Ordinary shares

starting on page 70 in their most recent annual SEC filing discusses the taxation of their dividends:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1119083/000121390021016243/f20f2020_mindcti.htm

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:50 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
Yes. I did not mention that, but my club has met that holding period.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 5:32 PM LINDA PALMER via bivio.com <user*18820100001@bivio.com> wrote:
I'm not sure that I have followed this thread from the beginning, so excuse me if this has already been discussed. There is a holding period that must be met to be considered qualified.

From the IRS:

To qualify for the lower tax rates, the taxpayer must now hold the dividend-paying stock for at least 61 days during the 121-day period (instead of the current 120-day period) beginning 60 days before the ex-dividend date - the first date that the buyer will not be entitled to receive that dividend.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:

You are correct

Carolyn

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2022, at 4:14 PM, Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:


Interesting. Perhaps there is confusion with the ticker symbol or the name of the company. When I enter MNDO at Edgar, everything says Israel.

Peter Dunkelberger

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 3:32 PM Carolyn Sturgis via bivio.com <user*32364500001@bivio.com> wrote:
Mind (MNDO is listed on Edgar as being incorporated in Delaware. If I remember correctly Laurie said that meant it was a U.S. corporation.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 2:06 PM Peter Dunkelberger via bivio.com <user*26984900001@bivio.com> wrote:
My U.S. broker keeps telling me that dividends from MIND, CTI., are ordinary (non-qualified). And the broker (TDA) is not clear as to how TDA gets that information. I have tried looking at the annual reports, and they are not clear because they do not interpret US tax law. My understanding is that MIND (symbol MNDO) is an Israeli company and Israel is listed as having a "comprehensive income tax treaty" with the U.S., and the stock is traded on NASDAQ. The only other reason, it seems, that the the dividend would not be considered qualified is if MIND, CTI., were considered a passive foreign investment company (PFIC). I do not think MIND would be considered a PFIC. Can anyone help me understand why MIND divided might be nonqualifed?

Thanks,

Peter Dunkelberger
Sumner Stock Selectors Investment Club

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:49 AM ira smilovitz via bivio.com <user*2883400001@bivio.com> wrote:
Schedules K-2 and K-3 are actually 20 pages each. The IRS has stated that only pages that contain information need to be submitted. It's similar to Form 8949. You only submit the page with data.

Ira Smilovitz

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 8:23 AM Victor J. Scango via bivio.com <user*21931100001@bivio.com> wrote:
Is there a good explanation why the K-3 form jumps from page
6 to page 8?


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Carolyn Sturgis