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Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 
I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club


On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs? Are there any problems with doing that? Especially at tax time?
I know it's not a standard investment for us.

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
Do not invest in REITS if you want to keep your treasurer sane!--
Dene Miller Alden
287 Beech Road, Loveland OH 45140
513-476-6747
Why????

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio.

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs? Are there any problems with doing that? Especially at tax time?
I know it's not a standard investment for us.

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
if you type in reit in the search box you will see the error of investing in reit

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 9:44 AM Dene Alden via bivio.com <user*12582000001@bivio.com> wrote:


On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs? Are there any problems with doing that? Especially at tax time?
I know it's not a standard investment for us.

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
Do not invest in REITS if you want to keep your treasurer sane!--
Dene Miller Alden
287 Beech Road, Loveland OH 45140
513-476-6747

See this from bivio. Go to "Help" and then "REITS" if the link doesn't work.

Investing In REIT's - bivio Investment Clubs

From: club_cafe@bivio.com <club_cafe@bivio.com> On Behalf Of Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:34 PM
To: The Club Cafe <club_cafe@bivio.com>
Subject: [club_cafe] REITs for investment clubs

Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 

I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks

Kim Potter

BI Brighton Model Investment Club

Dene,
That's funny since I'm the current (outgoing) treasurer!!  Our club works very hard to keep the treasurer sane, actually!
Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:37:40 PM EDT, Dene Alden via bivio.com <user*12582000001@bivio.com> wrote:




On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 
I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
Do not invest in REITS if you want to keep your treasurer sane!--
Dene Miller Alden
287 Beech Road, Loveland OH 45140
513-476-6747
Kevin, actually someone not involved in investment clubs recommended it the other day.  I decided to take a look at it not realizing that it was a REIT which I know very little about.  The SSG looks like something we could be interested in studying but I questioned the REIT.  So it looks like it's not club material.  (he also loves Walmart - but for the life of me I can't understand why after looking at the SSG.) 
Thanks, Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:55:42 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


Why????

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio. 

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 
I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
There is always one (or two) club members that have these "great ideas" and on the surface the club will quickly agree but fail to realize the consequences of their decisions.

Anyone in either of my clubs that propose REITs or MLPs I will add an amendment to their proposal. It is that I will immediately resign my position as treasurer and elevate the "great idea" person to treasurer.

This is a good reason to have an Investment Policy Statement in your club to save your club from the "great idea" partner. Or look at this YoutTube webinar from Doug Gerlach on using an (IPS).

Again, go back to the "great idea" partner and their allies and ask my original query: why? What does the club gain besides "diversification".

Kevin




On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:26 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Dene,
That's funny since I'm the current (outgoing) treasurer!! Our club works very hard to keep the treasurer sane, actually!
Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:37:40 PM EDT, Dene Alden via bivio.com <user*12582000001@bivio.com> wrote:




On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs? Are there any problems with doing that? Especially at tax time?
I know it's not a standard investment for us.

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
Do not invest in REITS if you want to keep your treasurer sane!--
Dene Miller Alden
287 Beech Road, Loveland OH 45140
513-476-6747

Some previous comments on REITS in the club cafe:

Tax implications of REITs - club_cafe - bivio Investment Clubs

REITs - club_cafe - bivio Investment Clubs

REIT's - club_cafe - bivio Investment Clubs

Jimmy

James P. Dickerson

Office: +1.423.229.1935 | Mobile: +1.423.367.9693 |   www.eastman.com

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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 12:37 PM
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On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 

I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks

Kim Potter

BI Brighton Model Investment Club

Do not invest in REITS if you want to keep your treasurer sane!--

Dene Miller Alden

287 Beech Road, Loveland OH 45140

513-476-6747

OMG, you have a non club member ready to make MAJOR investment decisions for a club that they are not a part of??? In what universe is that a reasonable approach for all the club members that will be impacted by this "stellar helper" fantastic idea.

Sorry, I grew up in the midwest. Midwesterns tend to be very nice and tolerant of newcomers and visitors. This idea needs to be shut down completely. Whenever a visitor is giving us "great ideas" they need to first pass a test of what is an investment club. Do you have an FAQ or Mission Statement or Investment Policy Statement to share with them? Are they even a member of BI? What is their investment philosophy? Does it match what the club is trying to do? Someone in the club needs to discuss this "offline" with your "idea" person. After discussing the aforementioned statements of the club, he (I am assuming this is a man) will even adjust to what the club desires in a new member or he goes off on his own.



On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:33 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Kevin, actually someone not involved in investment clubs recommended it the other day. I decided to take a look at it not realizing that it was a REIT which I know very little about. The SSG looks like something we could be interested in studying but I questioned the REIT. So it looks like it's not club material. (he also loves Walmart - but for the life of me I can't understand why after looking at the SSG.)
Thanks, Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:55:42 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


Why????

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio.

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs? Are there any problems with doing that? Especially at tax time?
I know it's not a standard investment for us.

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
Kevin,
Boy, you really jumped to some major conclusions here.  Nowhere in my question did it even imply that this person was recommending this stock for our club. He is a relative visiting me in our home. He's not in any position to make ANY major investment decision for our club.  Nor would our club even operate that way.  He mentioned it to me and I took a quick look at the SSG to see if it was worth ME looking further into it before bringing it to our club.  And if that even happened we have always followed a procedure to put any suggested stock on a watch list from which we choose a stock to do an industry study on.  After that we look at the 2-4 stocks in the study and vote to choose the best of the bunch.  And then, if it's in the buy zone, we might purchase it.  

Kim

 
 

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 01:48:33 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


OMG, you have a non club member ready to make MAJOR investment decisions for a club that they are not a part of??? In what universe is that a reasonable approach for all the club members that will be impacted by this "stellar helper" fantastic idea.

Sorry, I grew up in the midwest. Midwesterns tend to be very nice and tolerant of newcomers and visitors. This idea needs to be shut down completely. Whenever a visitor is giving us "great ideas" they need to first pass a test of what is an investment club. Do you have an FAQ or Mission Statement or Investment Policy Statement to share with them? Are they even a member of BI? What is their investment philosophy? Does it match what the club is trying to do? Someone in the club needs to discuss this "offline" with your "idea" person. After discussing the aforementioned statements of the club, he (I am assuming this is a man) will even adjust to what the club desires in a new member or he goes off on his own.



On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:33 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Kevin, actually someone not involved in investment clubs recommended it the other day.  I decided to take a look at it not realizing that it was a REIT which I know very little about.  The SSG looks like something we could be interested in studying but I questioned the REIT.  So it looks like it's not club material.  (he also loves Walmart - but for the life of me I can't understand why after looking at the SSG.) 
Thanks, Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:55:42 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


Why????

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio. 

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 
I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
REITs are fine in an individual account with a small headache but not in an investment club account. I have some in my personal account but MLPs are in a different ball park. With MLPs there are a lot of tax consequences and you will be filing taxes in multiple states. I stopped buying MLPs in my personal accounts.

John

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:14 AM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Kevin,
Boy, you really jumped to some major conclusions here. Nowhere in my question did it even imply that this person was recommending this stock for our club. He is a relative visiting me in our home. He's not in any position to make ANY major investment decision for our club. Nor would our club even operate that way. He mentioned it to me and I took a quick look at the SSG to see if it was worth ME looking further into it before bringing it to our club. And if that even happened we have always followed a procedure to put any suggested stock on a watch list from which we choose a stock to do an industry study on. After that we look at the 2-4 stocks in the study and vote to choose the best of the bunch. And then, if it's in the buy zone, we might purchase it.

Kim


On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 01:48:33 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


OMG, you have a non club member ready to make MAJOR investment decisions for a club that they are not a part of??? In what universe is that a reasonable approach for all the club members that will be impacted by this "stellar helper" fantastic idea.

Sorry, I grew up in the midwest. Midwesterns tend to be very nice and tolerant of newcomers and visitors. This idea needs to be shut down completely. Whenever a visitor is giving us "great ideas" they need to first pass a test of what is an investment club. Do you have an FAQ or Mission Statement or Investment Policy Statement to share with them? Are they even a member of BI? What is their investment philosophy? Does it match what the club is trying to do? Someone in the club needs to discuss this "offline" with your "idea" person. After discussing the aforementioned statements of the club, he (I am assuming this is a man) will even adjust to what the club desires in a new member or he goes off on his own.



On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:33 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Kevin, actually someone not involved in investment clubs recommended it the other day. I decided to take a look at it not realizing that it was a REIT which I know very little about. The SSG looks like something we could be interested in studying but I questioned the REIT. So it looks like it's not club material. (he also loves Walmart - but for the life of me I can't understand why after looking at the SSG.)
Thanks, Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:55:42 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


Why????

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio.

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs? Are there any problems with doing that? Especially at tax time?
I know it's not a standard investment for us.

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club

I agree with John. MLPs have been tax headache for me. I'd stay away from them.

Chuck

From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of John Rice via bivio.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:38 PM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] REITs for investment clubs

REITs are fine in an individual account with a small headache but not in an investment club account.  I have some in my personal account but MLPs are in a different ball park.   With MLPs there are a lot of tax consequences and you will be filing taxes in multiple states.  I stopped buying MLPs in my personal accounts. 

John

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:14 AM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Kevin,

Boy, you really jumped to some major conclusions here.  Nowhere in my question did it even imply that this person was recommending this stock for our club. He is a relative visiting me in our home. He's not in any position to make ANY major investment decision for our club.  Nor would our club even operate that way.  He mentioned it to me and I took a quick look at the SSG to see if it was worth ME looking further into it before bringing it to our club.  And if that even happened we have always followed a procedure to put any suggested stock on a watch list from which we choose a stock to do an industry study on.  After that we look at the 2-4 stocks in the study and vote to choose the best of the bunch.  And then, if it's in the buy zone, we might purchase it.  

Kim

 

 

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 01:48:33 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:

OMG, you have a non club member ready to make MAJOR investment decisions for a club that they are not a part of??? In what universe is that a reasonable approach for all the club members that will be impacted by this "stellar helper" fantastic idea.

Sorry, I grew up in the midwest. Midwesterns tend to be very nice and tolerant of newcomers and visitors. This idea needs to be shut down completely. Whenever a visitor is giving us "great ideas" they need to first pass a test of what is an investment club. Do you have an FAQ or Mission Statement or Investment Policy Statement to share with them? Are they even a member of BI? What is their investment philosophy? Does it match what the club is trying to do? Someone in the club needs to discuss this "offline" with your "idea" person. After discussing the aforementioned statements of the club, he (I am assuming this is a man) will even adjust to what the club desires in a new member or he goes off on his own.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:33 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Kevin, actually someone not involved in investment clubs recommended it the other day.  I decided to take a look at it not realizing that it was a REIT which I know very little about.  The SSG looks like something we could be interested in studying but I questioned the REIT.  So it looks like it's not club material.  (he also loves Walmart - but for the life of me I can't understand why after looking at the SSG.) 

Thanks, Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:55:42 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:

Why????

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio. 

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 

I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks

Kim Potter

BI Brighton Model Investment Club

As my club treasurer, and a CPA, I told the club if they wanted to invest in any publicly traded partnerships that I would resign and they could find a new treasurer. 

Randy 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 25, 2022, at 10:44 PM, John Rice via bivio.com <user*24380400001@bivio.com> wrote:


REITs are fine in an individual account with a small headache but not in an investment club account.  I have some in my personal account but MLPs are in a different ball park.   With MLPs there are a lot of tax consequences and you will be filing taxes in multiple states.  I stopped buying MLPs in my personal accounts. 

John

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:14 AM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Kevin,
Boy, you really jumped to some major conclusions here.  Nowhere in my question did it even imply that this person was recommending this stock for our club. He is a relative visiting me in our home. He's not in any position to make ANY major investment decision for our club.  Nor would our club even operate that way.  He mentioned it to me and I took a quick look at the SSG to see if it was worth ME looking further into it before bringing it to our club.  And if that even happened we have always followed a procedure to put any suggested stock on a watch list from which we choose a stock to do an industry study on.  After that we look at the 2-4 stocks in the study and vote to choose the best of the bunch.  And then, if it's in the buy zone, we might purchase it.  

Kim

 
 

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 01:48:33 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


OMG, you have a non club member ready to make MAJOR investment decisions for a club that they are not a part of??? In what universe is that a reasonable approach for all the club members that will be impacted by this "stellar helper" fantastic idea.

Sorry, I grew up in the midwest. Midwesterns tend to be very nice and tolerant of newcomers and visitors. This idea needs to be shut down completely. Whenever a visitor is giving us "great ideas" they need to first pass a test of what is an investment club. Do you have an FAQ or Mission Statement or Investment Policy Statement to share with them? Are they even a member of BI? What is their investment philosophy? Does it match what the club is trying to do? Someone in the club needs to discuss this "offline" with your "idea" person. After discussing the aforementioned statements of the club, he (I am assuming this is a man) will even adjust to what the club desires in a new member or he goes off on his own.



On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:33 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Kevin, actually someone not involved in investment clubs recommended it the other day.  I decided to take a look at it not realizing that it was a REIT which I know very little about.  The SSG looks like something we could be interested in studying but I questioned the REIT.  So it looks like it's not club material.  (he also loves Walmart - but for the life of me I can't understand why after looking at the SSG.) 
Thanks, Kim

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:55:42 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:


Why????

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio. 

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:
Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 
I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

Thanks
Kim Potter
BI Brighton Model Investment Club
No problem.  Just wondering.  
Kim 

On Thursday, May 26, 2022, 09:32:47 AM EDT, Chuck Kim via bivio.com <user*39264500001@bivio.com> wrote:


I agree with John. MLPs have been tax headache for me. I'd stay away from them.

 

Chuck

 

From: club_cafe@bivio.com [mailto:club_cafe@bivio.com] On Behalf Of John Rice via bivio.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:38 PM
To: club_cafe@bivio.com
Subject: Re: [club_cafe] REITs for investment clubs

 

REITs are fine in an individual account with a small headache but not in an investment club account.  I have some in my personal account but MLPs are in a different ball park.   With MLPs there are a lot of tax consequences and you will be filing taxes in multiple states.  I stopped buying MLPs in my personal accounts. 

 

John

 

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:14 AM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Kevin,

Boy, you really jumped to some major conclusions here.  Nowhere in my question did it even imply that this person was recommending this stock for our club. He is a relative visiting me in our home. He's not in any position to make ANY major investment decision for our club.  Nor would our club even operate that way.  He mentioned it to me and I took a quick look at the SSG to see if it was worth ME looking further into it before bringing it to our club.  And if that even happened we have always followed a procedure to put any suggested stock on a watch list from which we choose a stock to do an industry study on.  After that we look at the 2-4 stocks in the study and vote to choose the best of the bunch.  And then, if it's in the buy zone, we might purchase it.  

 

Kim

 

 

 

 

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 01:48:33 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:

 

 

OMG, you have a non club member ready to make MAJOR investment decisions for a club that they are not a part of??? In what universe is that a reasonable approach for all the club members that will be impacted by this "stellar helper" fantastic idea.

 

Sorry, I grew up in the midwest. Midwesterns tend to be very nice and tolerant of newcomers and visitors. This idea needs to be shut down completely. Whenever a visitor is giving us "great ideas" they need to first pass a test of what is an investment club. Do you have an FAQ or Mission Statement or Investment Policy Statement to share with them? Are they even a member of BI? What is their investment philosophy? Does it match what the club is trying to do? Someone in the club needs to discuss this "offline" with your "idea" person. After discussing the aforementioned statements of the club, he (I am assuming this is a man) will even adjust to what the club desires in a new member or he goes off on his own.

 

 

 

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 1:33 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Kevin, actually someone not involved in investment clubs recommended it the other day.  I decided to take a look at it not realizing that it was a REIT which I know very little about.  The SSG looks like something we could be interested in studying but I questioned the REIT.  So it looks like it's not club material.  (he also loves Walmart - but for the life of me I can't understand why after looking at the SSG.) 

Thanks, Kim

 

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 12:55:42 PM EDT, Kevin Gillogly via bivio.com <user*9886100001@bivio.com> wrote:

 

 

Why????

 

What do you gain by investing in REITs that you cannot get in other stocks? And the answer should be something other than "diversification". So give a good, strong cogent reason for adding REITs to a portfolio. 

 

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 12:36 PM Mike & Kim Potter via bivio.com <user*22890200001@bivio.com> wrote:

Any clubs invest in REITs?  Are there any problems with doing that?  Especially at tax time? 

I know it's not a standard investment for us.  

 

Thanks

Kim Potter

BI Brighton Model Investment Club